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Portillo Member (Idle past 4421 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
Is that all you have to add to the discussion? Pathetic insults add nothing.
And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1655 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
Pathetic insults are just about what people who use science as a tool to defend their lies deserve.
It is just so convenient to say GDI whenever a difficult question arises - even though one would assume that 515 ft long barge was built and put to float, there are gazillion unanswered questions regarding the feasibility of such a vessel when even the slightest waves existed. ZD said that there was no mention of winds and thus there is no way of "knowing" (knowing now in the same sense that we know that Anakin was Lukes father) whether there were waves at all. If I am not mistaken, no-one has claimed that earth stopped rotating before the flud. The rotation is one of the reasons winds exist to begin with so ergo the had to be winds and thus waves. What I really really despise is the ark apologetics tendency to use vague scientificish authorities to support their agenda and when pressed come up with nothing or almost nothing but never with something that would honestly corrobate their data. I hope this clears up my position a bit - when I say that ark apologetics are liars and frauds, that is not an insult but a statement.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4421 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
And for some reason you enjoy discussing the flood. Thats why your here.
And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Just like your retelling of the Amish School house shooting, this is yet another example of the Christian Cult of Ignorance just making shit up.
Have you read Kon Tiki? Do you know the chronology of Heyerdahl's voyages? You need to learn to check what the teachers and pastors and ministers tell you because they far too often just make shit up.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1665 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi saab93f,
Please no partial allusions without all the context, or do you want to be like the creationist quote miners?
ZD said that there was no mention of winds and thus there is no way of "knowing" (knowing now in the same sense that we know that Anakin was Lukes father) whether there were waves at all. If I am not mistaken, no-one has claimed that earth stopped rotating before the flud. The rotation is one of the reasons winds exist to begin with so ergo the had to be winds and thus waves. Rotation itself has little effect on waves, it affects tides. If you want to consider tides a global scale wave, then you must also realize that it would still appear as flat as the ocean does today. What we don't know is how strong the wind or how high the waves would have been, and thus cannot definitively say that they would necessarily cause problems for a hypothetical vessel. As far as I am concerned the feasibility of building a vessel of this size is a silly argument when compared to: (a) was there a flood? (b) how many species could fit in the ark? (c) how could all those species survive for the 100+ days aboard? and (d) how did all the species of plants and animals get distributed to their specific locations around the world? Making bad arguments is no way to debate bad arguments. Enjoy Edited by Zen Deist, : hypoby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1655 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
Well, the Coriolis effect sure is one of the components behind certain winds and that is just because of the rotation.
Coriolis force - Wikipedia Without anything to hinder the airflow the effect would make waves even though the fountains of the deep had flowed peacefully and the rain had been dense mist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1665 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi again saab93f,
Well, the Coriolis effect sure is one of the components behind certain winds and that is just because of the rotation. And this would also affect the water. With no land one could easily balance the other with the effect that there would be little surface wind. Storm strength winds on the other hand are due to differential heating and cooling of land and water masses and between day and night, one hot the other cold. With only water surfaces this effect would be very much reduced.
Without anything to hinder the airflow the effect would make waves even though the fountains of the deep had flowed peacefully and the rain had been dense mist Indeed, but the question is how big those waves would be. Ripples don't cut it. So do the math and show how large those waves would necessarily have to be. Anything less is speculation and assumption, things, curiously, that I set little store by. Speculating about hypothetical waves and winds is to me even more pointless and self-indulgent mental masturbation than discussions of the structure of the ark. I have better things to waste my time on. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1655 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
Well, as you said this debate is totally pointless since the flood and the ark did not exist. We might just as well be talking about Tatooine sandstorms here
However the winds are either see and land breezes (which would not happen if there was no land) and planetary winds (Trade winds, Westerlies and Easterlies) and they are what the great big oceanic waves are made of. A wooden boat the size suggested could not tolerate even average oceanic waves left alone stormy waves (as has been shown in earlier posts). We all have better things to do than mental gymnastics I hope - have a nice day. Prevailing winds - Wikipedia Wind wave - Wikipedia Edited by saab93f, : Added another link.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1665 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi again saab93f
A wooden boat the size suggested could not tolerate even average oceanic waves left alone stormy waves (as has been shown in earlier posts). And refuted in Message 387. Show that (a) they would be worse than the waves that were encountered by the Wyoming in 14+ years as a hard-pressed wind-jammer crossing the oceans, and (b) that the ark would be structurally inferior to the Wyoming.
We all have better things to do than mental gymnastics I hope - have a nice day. Yeah, I have bills to pay, which curiously is more appealing. Enjoy. Edited by Zen Deist, : linkby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4421 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
Just making shit up. Try to debate without using swear words. And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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DC85 Member (Idle past 256 days) Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
Try to debate without using swear words. I find it rather funny that rather than addressing the points raised you picked that part of it out to seemingly avoid them.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4421 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
There are many sources stating that the Amish community offered forgiveness.
Amish killer's widow thanks families of victims for forgivenessPage not found | National Review http://www.cross-currents.com/...006/10/17/not-always-divine Page not found - Turkish Weekly Page Not Found | Reuters And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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But that is not a swear word but an honest assessment of what both of those posts contained.
You do understand that I was trying to be polite and not have to tell you that both your Amish School House story and your Heyerdahl contained out and out lies concocted by some preacher who understood that folk like you, Creationists and believers in nonsense like the Flood will accept the tale because you value Testimony over honesty. Since the ministers and pastors and brothers and saints lie to you about really easy to check stuff like the Heyerdahl story, how can you possibly believe the stuff they sell you that is not easy to check?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yup, but the supposed suicide letter is pure fabrication just like Heyerdahl reading Genesis and suddenly discovering pitch.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Stargaze Junior Member (Idle past 4366 days) Posts: 6 Joined: |
I think what happens is, people often become believers through family, culture and quite often they hear these emotion stories about how Christ died for them etc etc. I believe countries like America do a good job [as in successful] of selling the story of Christ.
So when it comes to the global flood it's quite easy for people to use things like miracles and statements like "things were different back then" to get around the problems these ancient tales all possess. Kurt Wise, a famous Christian scientist famously said that even if all the evidence in the Universe was against creationism, he'd still believe what the Bible says. After all, if they doubt the flood or any other story, then the Bible essentially becomes useless. At any rate, getting to the reason I posted in the first place. If I remember right, most creationists claim that the K-Pg boundary was caused by a meteor but DURING the global flood and not 65 million years ago. I can only fathom the waves Noah would be encountering on his year long trip.
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