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Dr Adequate Member  Posts: 16097 Joined: |
But when AiG postulate that a mere 8000 species would have sufficed, they've already taken creationist fantasies of superduperevolution into account.
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Panda Member (Idle past 1912 days)  Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
This would require 1000 cubic feet to store all that hay. A single cow also drinks ~5000 gallons of water per year. And that is just one cow. CRYSTALS!!
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Jzyehoshua Inactive Member |
Well, there are three things to consider. (1) Noah was commanded to take all food that could be eaten as provisions, thus presumably including seeds. (Genesis 6:21)
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Theodoric Member  Posts: 6403 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.0 |
Yes we do.
You fundies are so funny. You need to go to the same classes as buz to learn what evidence is. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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jar Member  Posts: 31091 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 305 days)  Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You can come up with all the "what ifs" you want, but the simple fact is that the Noah story doesn't add up. As the title of this thread reads, "That boat don't float." Why is it so important to you to try and make that myth plausible? Folks trying to say it all happened as written have to go to such extremes as to be laughable! Why can't you just realize it is an ancient tribal myth and move on? And by the way, I still have four horses that could help you understand the magnitude of the feeding/scooping problem. Let me know when you're available for a few days. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Jzyehoshua Inactive Member |
That is a really good point, I have to admit. I suppose you could end up with some pretty skinny cows that had to go on diets by the end, but otherwise, I'm not sure there's much explanation that wouldn't offend people who dislike Jesus' "loaves and fish" miracles. Don't know how that'd be explained without something supernatural.
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Panda Member (Idle past 1912 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
And as jar pointed out, there are 7 cows. Then there are the rhinos and the giraffes and the hippos and the elephants and the camels....
Then it makes no sense for you to even try and find scientific support for your beliefs. Because when you hit an insurmountable problem you simply hand-wave it away with "god-did-it-with-magic" - a "deus ex machina", if you will. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. CRYSTALS!!
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Dr Adequate Member Posts: 16097 Joined: |
You can prop up anything with enough miracles. God just miraculously made the sky pink with green spots. Why didn't we notice it? Because he also miraculously made us all see it as being blue still. In the end, though, you wind up with something which looks like the Omphalos hypothesis but without its elegant simplicity --- Omphalos as designed by Rube Goldberg. As with the RATE project ...
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jar Member Posts: 31091 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Fourteen cows, male and female remember. 'Course God cudda told Noah take one bull and six heifers if he'd thought it out. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Jzyehoshua Inactive Member |
It means I've encountered one question I don't have an answer for. Just because Evolutionists discard their theory of Evolution every time they encounter a problem with it they can't explain, doesn't mean I have to abandon my beliefs just because I've found one problem I can't yet explain. My point is, there are puzzles scientists can't explain on occasion. They just assume they need to keep looking. I never seem to see them discard Evolutionary Theory or other theories when this occurs. Likewise, I have found a single potentially difficult problem. I am not so confident in my intelligence to think I've fully understood the issue to consider all alternatives. Could it be a miracle? Yes. Could it be some other physical explanation I haven't considered? Yes. Could it be what AIG was saying, some sort of trap door setup allowing waste to fall down to a lower floor? I suppose. Maybe there was some kind of rainwater catcher for the water, or the water outside the Ark was more okay to drink, mixed as it was with water worldwide. Maybe salination wasn't as extreme as it is today. Obviously there are some issues here I don't really have a ready explanation for. I've been convinced enough in the Bible in the past that I still give it the benefit of the doubt since it's not a clear contradiction and unlike evolutionists, I do consider the supernatural possible based on my own experience. But I'm not going to throw out my beliefs because of a single unexplained dilemma any more than scientists throw out their theories over unexplained mysteries.
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frako Member  Posts: 2814 From: slovenija Joined:
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can i ask whats your theory on how they got the parasites on the ark especially the human exclusive parasites? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parasites_of_humans Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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Panda Member (Idle past 1912 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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But you do have an answer for it. God-did-it-with-magic.
When scientists don't know something, they say "I don't know." When you don't know something, you say "Don't know how that'd be explained without something supernatural."
Correct. But you stop looking and claim "god-did-it". You also will never accept the possibility that it never happened regardless of how many unanswerable questions you encounter. Because, if push comes to shove, "god-did-it-with-magic".
You are now having to change aspects of the whole planet's environment to avoid changing your beliefs. Here's another fact for you to have to adjust reality for: a single lion requires 100+ large animals to feed on in a year. How much food do you think those prey animals would need? You would need to change many aspects of reality to support your ark story. But the option that "the Noahic flood never happened" is never a possibility.
And that is the complete opposite of what you wrote just a second ago: "Just because Evolutionists discard their theory of Evolution every time they encounter a problem." So - you are not doing science. You don't want to do science. You will never do science. You are just playing, pretending to be scientific, but you will drop it like a hot potato if you ever have to adjust your beliefs. So, there is still no point in your attempts to be scientific. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. CRYSTALS!!
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saab93f Member (Idle past 911 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
quote: We know what the Millenium Falcon or SS Enterprise look like and what their dimensions are like - there is just this annoying thing that some people are adamant that the Ark would instead of aforementioned have been real
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ringo Member  Posts: 16874 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
AiG didn't theorize; they hypothesized. Theories require testing. Why is it that creationists always come up with these (outlandish) ideas on how it "could" have happened but they never do any experiments to test their hypotheses? Why do they spend millions on propaganda and not one cent on science?
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