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# ICANT'S position in the creation debate

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Jazzns
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 Message 331 of 687 (522649) 09-04-2009 11:02 AM Reply to: Message 326 by ICANT09-04-2009 9:44 AM

Re: Time
Perhaps all you need to understand this is a simpler example.

You are sitting on the beach and you have 2 clocks that are set to the exact same time and are very accurate.

If you leave both clocks on the beach, even for a very long time, they will never get out of sync.

Now, you leave one clock on the beach and you take the other one with you on a climb to the top of Mt Everest and leave it there.

Now the only thing that has changed is the elevation of the two clocks and, predictably, the clock you left on Everest will start to drift from the clock you left on the beach. It will be running slightly faster.

You can repeat this experiment a number of times with a number of clocks and it will always turn out the same. In fact, the difference in the elevation between the two clocks influences just how fast they will drift. If you launch that clock which was on Mt. Everest into space, it will drift faster than it did on Mt. Everest.

This is verification of relativity which states that mass influences space and time. In this clock example, it is the mass of the earth that is doing the influencing.

If you can influence time with matter, time is therefore a property of the universe.

Edited by Jazzns, : No reason given.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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Jazzns
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 Message 342 of 687 (522683) 09-04-2009 1:25 PM Reply to: Message 333 by ICANT09-04-2009 11:24 AM

Re: Time Great Example
 All you have influenced is the man made instrument that is supposed to be marking time.

No we have not influenced the instrument in the way I think you are trying to say. It should be as assumption that the clock operates exactly the same in any gravity.

And it is perhaps the simplicity of the example that does not make the point but fundamentally you are demonstrating in this experiment that time is in fact a variable and not a constant.

The deep point to understand why this is true for this example is to recognize that the implication of this type of experiment is that ther is no "privledged frame of reference" with respect to time. That is what relativity means. Time is relative. There is no place in the universe where you could stand with your clock to get "THE" time.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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Jazzns
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 Message 407 of 687 (523183) 09-08-2009 6:35 PM Reply to: Message 403 by cavediver09-08-2009 6:23 PM

Re: Time
 Explain how something can be accelerating and continuint to circle the earth in just under 12 hrs.If it is continually accelerating that means it is getting faster and faster doesn't it?

Oh, god, I wish I were still lecturing, just so I could pass this one around.

This is proof positive that there is some fundamental ignorance of even basic physics that is a barrier to real discussion on this issue. It is unfortunate that it is also being paired with a lack of humility.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. --Thomas Jefferson

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