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Message 1 of 687 (520525)
08-21-2009 10:48 PM


As requested by Adminnemooseus

"ICANT's position in the creation debate".
My position on the Genesis account of creation.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The same light period God created life.
Genesis 2:;7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I have been told science has proved this story wrong.

Science has no evidence concerning how the universe began to exist.

Science has no evidence of how life began to exist.

Therefore Science has not proved God did not create the universe and life as presented in Genesis. So that story has not been proven false.

Now if I am mistaken about the Scientific evidence please present it.

God Bless,

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Corrected link target for Adminnemooseus link. It had been this.


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 6 of 687 (520571)
08-22-2009 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by lyx2no
08-21-2009 11:45 PM


Re: Congrats. I Think You've One You Can Win.
Hi lyx2no,

lyx2no writes:

If your entire argument is that it hasn't been proven that a god of some sort did not create the Heavens and the Earth you,ll not find any sane challengers.

You can not prove God does not exist.

You can prove God did not create the heaven and the earth as is stated in Genesis 1:1.

All you have to do to prove Genesis 1:1 to be false is to prove how the universe began to exist.

lyxn2o writes:

The second bit about god blowing noses is a bit more problematic. It has been "proven" to the satisfaction of all but the most perverse that man didn't arise fully formed from dust.

Nothing has been proven.

It would be simple to prove Genesis 2:7 to be false.

Prove how life began to exist.

lyx2no writes:

That it can't — yes, can't — be proven that some sort of god did not in some sort of way create the Universe gives no logical sanction to any of the properties of that god or its ways.

I did argue on here somewhere if Hawking's instanton was the cause of the universe beginning to exist it would be God.

But Genesis 1:1 and 2:7 can be proven to be false.

God Bless,


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Message 8 of 687 (520580)
08-22-2009 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Minnemooseus
08-22-2009 2:07 AM


Re: What's the time frames, and how about common ancestry
Hi Minnemooseus,

Minnemooseus writes:

What is you opinion on:

Minnemooseus writes:

The age of the universe?

This presents a problem for me that has not been resolved to my satisfaction yet

"You don't know what you are talking about" and "we don't know" just does not satisfy my mind.

The Bible says "in the beginning", but I have not been able to find anyone who can tell me when that was. Nor do I have a clue.

So I have a universe that is infinite or a universe that began to exist.

Now if I listen to my Hebrew instructor my problem is solved. He said the word 'beginning' should have been 'beginning's'.

That would solve my problem as there was an eternal light period that had ended in Genesis 1:2 as far as the earth was concerned.

The universe could have began to exist anywhere in that eternal light period.

Minnemooseus writes:

The age of the Earth?

The earth could have then begin to exist in the universe whenever it began to exist.

Minnemooseus writes:

The age of the first life on Earth?

According to Genesis 2:7 the first life on earth was mankind before plants, animals or fowls.

But your question is when was that? Just like the universe and the earth that life could have began to exist on earth whenever it began to exist by God breathing the breath of life into the form He had made from the dust of the earth.

Life already existed it was just imparted to mankind.

That could have been anytime in the last couple of billion years + or - whatever.

Minnemooseus writes:

The age of the first human (Homo sapiens)?

Mankind was the first lifeform on earth according to Genesis 2:7.

Minnemooseus writes:

Do the modern great ages (gorillas, chimps) and modern humans have a common ancestor?

They all were called forth from their ancestors which was all formed from the dust of the ground by God. So they all came from the same place.

Time is only relative to mankind. God is not bound by time therefore He does not give us any time frames to go on.

Mankind has tried to make the Bible say things it does not say in order to conform to his/her personal beliefs and worldview.

The biggest myth proprogated on this site is that the Bible says the universe began 6000 years ago.

Man can figure out in his own mind that Genesis 1:2 was about 6000 years ago by math.

But the universe and the earth existed prior to Genesis 1:2. They existed in Genesis 1:1.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 10 of 687 (520582)
08-22-2009 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by PaulK
08-22-2009 5:41 AM


Re-Verses
Hi Paul,

Paulk writes:

So your position is that Genesis 1 contains only one verse, and that Genesis 2 likewise contains only one verse (oddly enough the seventh).
Might I suggest that in fact there are more verses and that it is there that the problems lie ?

whoop te dou. There was no Genesis 1 with any verses until about a 1000 years ago. Until then there was just Genesis.

Chapters and verses are mans invention to be able to find things God said.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 12 of 687 (520586)
08-22-2009 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Straggler
08-22-2009 9:36 AM


Re: Prove .
Hi Straggler,

Straggler writes:

What do you mean by "prove"?

Simply present the evidence of the facts of exactly how the universe began or how life began.

That shouldn't be too much of a problem as I have been told science has proved the Genesis story to be false.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 15 of 687 (520589)
08-22-2009 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by lyx2no
08-22-2009 11:10 AM


Re: Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory
Hi lyx2no,

lyx2no writes:

All gen 1:1 say is Goddidit, so no, one can't. If one "proves" some version of the BBT to be exactly correct in every particular how would that prove that God didn't use that version of the BBT to create the Universe?

When did the BBT begin to speak about the beginning of the universe?

No comment on the babbling.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 18 of 687 (520593)
08-22-2009 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Straggler
08-22-2009 11:30 AM


Re: Prove .
Hi Straggler,

Straggler writes:

Well which part of Genesis are we talking about specifically? Or does finding evidence contrary to any aspect of the Genesis story invalidate the whole thing?

I think I was very specific.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

God caused the universe and the earth to begin to exist.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God breathed life into mankind. Life began on earth when God put life into man.

Straggler writes:

Isn't the flood and the destruction of all humanity in the book of Genesis? I don't want to hijack your thread down that specific route but that one has been pretty conclusively invalidated has it not?

Until the universe exists, and the earth exists with life on it anything about a flood is nonsensical.

God Bless,


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Message 21 of 687 (520597)
08-22-2009 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Straggler
08-22-2009 11:36 AM


Re: Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory
Hi Straggler,

Straggler writes:

Dude is this inevitably going to be one of those "uncaused cause" threads again?

I started this thread because I was told I was muking up another thread in which I said the Bible did not teach the universe was 6000 years old. That YEC'S and most here put forth the Bible taught that.

In another thread I was told:

Science has proven the Genesis story to be false.

I asked for the evidence to back up that assertion.

In this thread I am asking for the evidence that science has that proves Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 2:7 to be false.

To prove those false all you or anyone else would have to do is produce the evidence of the facts of exactly how the universe began or how life began.

Either the evidence exists or it does not exist.

I go with the evidence does not exist.

So why is it presented and taught as a fact?

The only answer science has for how the universe began to exist is, "we don't know".

The only answer science has for how life began to exist is, "we don't know".

Without knowing the answer to those two questions everything else is a guess.

God Bless,


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Message 23 of 687 (520609)
08-22-2009 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by kbertsche
08-22-2009 11:35 AM


Re: What's the time frames, and how about common ancestry
Hi kbertsche,

kbertsche writes:

The second verse says that now the earth exists in an unfinished state. The third verse describes, from an earth-centered perspective, six "days" of finishing the rest of creation.

I do not believe it exists in an unfinished state in Genesis 1:1.

Therefore it had become an empty uninhabitable place. It was in darkness and covered with water. Inhabitable to water creatures only, maybe.

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

According to Isaiah God did not create the earth tohuw. (vain}

Yet in Genesis 1:2 it is said to be tohuw (without form)

So if God did not create it tohuw in Genesis 1:1 as he states in Isaiah 45:18 it came to exist tohuw as it is in Genesis 1:2.

kbertsche writes:

quote:
That would solve my problem as there was an eternal light period that had ended in Genesis 1:2 as far as the earth was concerned.

I don't follow this argument. Can you expand on it?

I will expand below.

kbertsche writes:

quote:
According to Genesis 2:7 the first life on earth was mankind before plants, animals or fowls.

This is clearly not consistent with modern science, and I don't see how it is consistent with Gen 1, either. (In Gen 1, all other life appears before man.) Can you give a fuller textual explanation for your conclusion that man was the first life form on earth?

It may not be consistent with Genesis 1:2 - 1:31 But it is consistent with Genesis 1:1.

I don't see how it could be inconsistent with modern science as modern science does not know how life came to exist. It is not consistent with what is believe to be the way it happened.

As a 10 year old boy reading the Bible I read Genesis chapter 1 and was confused as to how the universe God created was in such a mess at Genesis 1:2. It just did not fit. God is perfect, everything He does is perfect. The earth was not perfect at Genesis 1:2.

So I continued to read and I found a verse that claimed to explain what happened in Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 2:4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

The next day I went to the school library and looked up the word generations. I had problems with how what I read could be used in that verse so I asked my English teacher to explain. She said well generations is the history of a family as you trace the family tree.

So then I understood Genesis 2:4 to be saying it was the history of what happened in the day God created the heaven and the earth.

After studying the Bible for the last 60 years, and Hebrew for many of those years I have come to the conclusion that 10 year old was right.

Genesis 1:1 declares that God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 2:4 declares to be the history/account of what happened in the day the Lord God created the earth and the heavens.

Earth first as the emphasis will be on the earth.

Genesis 2:5 tells us the earth was uninhabited, it had not rained, and there was no man.

Genesis 2:6 tells us the face of the earth was watered by a mist from the earth.

Genesis 2:7 tells us God formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into that form the breath of life and he became a living soul.

Life existed in God and He imparted life into man. Verifying life begats life.

Genesis 2:8 tells us God planted a garden for man to live in.

Genesis 2:9 tells us God caused fruit bearing trees to grow and also the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden.

Genesis 2:10 - 2:14 describes a river that flowed from Eden that divided into four and watered the whole land.

Genesis 2:15 restates the putting of man into the Garden.

Genesis 2:16 tells us the man was told he could freely eat of the fruit of the trees.

Genesis 2:17 tells us there was one exception to the trees man could eat the fruit of. He was told the day he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die.

Genesis 2:18 God said it was good that man should be alone.

Genesis 2:19 tells us out of the ground God formed the animals and the fowls.

Genesis 2:20 tells us the man named all the animals and fowl.

Genesis 2:21 tells us God took a rib from the man.

Genesis 2:22 tells us God made a woman from that rib.

Genesis 2:23 tells us the man said "she shall be called woman because she was taken out of man".

Genesis 2:24 tells us man would give up all for the woman he loved.

skipping the fluff

Genesis 3:6 tells us the woman ate the fruit and when she gave it to her husband he chose to eat the fruit also. Proving what he said in Genesis 2:4 he gave up everything unto death for the woman.

Genesis 3:7 - 4:24 tells us of their eyes being opened. God kicking them out of His estate into the world. There they had children who had children, who built a city.

There were two people in this account that died. Able and a young man slain by Lamech.

No age of any of these people are ever mentioned anywhere.

Don't get hung up on the transliteration of the Hebrew word for man.

This is the end of this account as I have not been able to tie anything else to it. That does not mean there is not more that belongs with this story.

All these events took place in the light period of the day the Lord God made the earth and the heaven.

Which brings us to the evening at Genesis 1:2, darkness had come, water covered the face of the earth and there was no inhabitants.

God is light so He brought fourth light in Genesis 1:3.

In Genesis 1:4 God separated the light and darkness.

In Genesis 1:5 God called the light day and the darkness He called night. He then combined the evening (darkness) found in Genesis 1:2 with the light period that began 12 hours later as day one.

In the following 5 24 hour periods we have described several things that took place with large numbers of huge water creatures being bara (created). We also have a male and a female mankind created in Genesis 1:27 in the image/likeness of God.

This couple was created at the same time after all animals, fish, and fowl was made/created.

This man and woman was never placed in a garden.

This couple are told to:

Genesis 1:28 Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.

Genesis 1:29 They were told they could eat the fruit from any tree. Nothing was forbidden for them to eat.

Genesis 1:31 tells us this was the end of day six.

Genesis 2:1 tells us everything was finished.

Genesis 2:2 tells us God ceased from His work of making things.

Genesis 2:3 tells us God ceased from all his bara (creating) He is still ceased from creating but will resume when He creates a New Heaven and a New Earth.

I would like to point out there was no seas in the story of chapter 2 as water creatures were not created at that time. There was only the rivers and the mist.
God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 24 of 687 (520614)
08-22-2009 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Straggler
08-22-2009 12:32 PM


Re: Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory
Hi Straggler,

Here

You state:

quote:
OK. The universe quite possibly "just is".

Which would mean the universe was an uncaused existence.

Or that the universe was infinite.

But science says the universe can not be infinite and us be here.

So who is going on about an uncaused cause.

I am on record as saying I believe the universe has always existed in some form.

Do I believe it could have changed form and began to exist as we see it today.

I have to answer yes because I am not blind.

Do I believe it could have changed form by itself.

No not without a cause.

If you want to proceed down the uncaused cause road why don't you proceed to explain how the universe "just is".

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 25 of 687 (520617)
08-22-2009 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phage0070
08-22-2009 11:02 AM


Re: Congrats. I Think You've One You Can Win.
Hi Phage,

Phage0070 writes:

You cannot prove that the invisible pink unicorn, or the flying spaghetti monster does not exist. Why don't you hold them in the same regard?

I can not prove the beautiful pink unicorn or the spaghetti monster does not exist.

But they did not have a man write down in a book some 3300 years ago that they created the heavens and the earth, nor that they imparted life into a form.

God did that.

So to prove He did not do what He said He did would go a long way towards proving He does not exist. Or at least He or the writers were liars.

So to prove God did not do what He said He did in Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 2:7 all anyone has to do is produce the evidence of the facts of exactly how the universe began to exist and life began to exist.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 27 of 687 (520624)
08-22-2009 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by kbertsche
08-22-2009 3:46 PM


Re: What's the time frames, and how about common ancestry
Hi kbertsche,

kbertsche writes:

We don't know how life began on earth, but we have evidence as to when. We have evidence of single-celled life roughly 3.5 billion years ago. There is absolutely no way to put humans this far back. Hominids only go back a few million years, not a few billion.

If you don't know how it began, how do you know when it began?

You only know what you believe and have been told and what can be found in the scanty fossil records.

With all the extinction events that have happened and all the times the plates of the earth have shifted from the land mass being in one place to all over the place as science tells us it has.

How can we find anything that existed 3 billion years ago?

I know it would have to be microscopic.

I don't think you would find a man's remains from that time. In fact his body was supposed to go back to the earth from which it came.

kbertsche writes:

You seem to be describing some form of the Gap Theory. I don't hold to this, but I agree that it is a tenable view.

Well I have studied 5 different Gap Theories and none of them hold what I do.

None of them have man on earth billions of years ago.

Some have angels, but not man.

According to the account of Genesis 1:1 man was the first creature formed from the dust of the earth. He was the first life form. What did he look like? No clue is given. The only thing I know about him was he was very smart. A lady spent 40 years in Africa cataloging animals and did not have them all.

The first man named them all. In Hebrew at that. So he was very smart.

He was very devoted to his wife. He chose to eat the fruit and die with her.

kbertsche writes:

Interesting perspective--I've never heard this view before. I'll have to think about it. You are essentially placing Gen 2:4-Gen 4 ahead of Gen 1:2-2:3.

Prior to about a thousand years ago there was no chapters and verses so how did they keep everything separated and in proper order?

Especially if some of those scribes are like some of our self appointed scribes today.

What determined what order the tablets, scrolls or skins were kept in?

So yes I think Genesis 1:2 is totally out of place and has nothing to do with the creation of Genesis 1:1.

This is where most gapers part from me.

Genesis says it is the account of the heaven and the earth when they were bara(created, the same as in Genesis 1:1) in the day the Lord God made the earth and the heaven.

The following verses are the account of what happened that light period.

In Genesis 1:5 God called the light Day. (In the day)

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 30 of 687 (520635)
08-22-2009 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phage0070
08-22-2009 5:22 PM


Re: Congrats. I Think You've One You Can Win.
Hi Phage,

Phage0070 writes:

But before we get to that we still need to figure out why we are trying to disprove this particular story, and not going after Gaia. So tell me ICANT, why is this particular old story so much more trustworthy than any other?

You produce the evidence of the facts of exactly how the universe began to exist and life began to exist. and you get all those stories you are alluding too as well.

So take them all out at once.

If the evidence exists present it.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 33 of 687 (520647)
08-22-2009 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Straggler
08-22-2009 5:51 PM


Re: Snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory
Hi Straggler,

Straggler writes:

Well which part of "just is" do you have a problem with or not understand?

I don't have a problem with "just is".

But there is a scientific problem with "just is".

For the universe to to be "just is" as you put it.

It has to be infinite.

Is the universe infinite?

It's your problem not mine.

God Bless,


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Message 34 of 687 (520649)
08-22-2009 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Phage0070
08-22-2009 7:35 PM


Re: Congrats. I Think You've One You Can Win.
Hi Phage,

Phage0070 writes:

There are many things that we do not know about our reality, but if you claim to know something about it you have to back that claim up with evidence. It is not the responsibility of others to prove you wrong.

I gave my evidence with its source.

You state in this message.

quote:
Currently, the evidence we have indicates that the Christian God's creation story, as well as Gaia's, are not accurate in explaining what actually occurred.

Are you claiming to have scientific evidence how the universe began to exist? yes/no

Are you claiming to have scientific evidence how life on earth began to exist? yes/no

If you do present it.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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