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Author Topic:   ICANT'S position in the creation debate
ochaye
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Message 58 of 687 (520753)
08-23-2009 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by ICANT
08-23-2009 4:58 PM


Re: Old
Maybe there has to be a creation week to justify people in medieval clothes parading around in pointy buildings on 'sabbaths' to provide a nice safe ritual version of Christianity. Maybe the only reason there is such a thing as a week is to provide protection from Christianity.

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Message 70 of 687 (520795)
08-24-2009 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by caldron68
08-23-2009 9:44 PM


Re: Getting Older
'Considering that science has proven the broader story of Genesis to be false, isn't it only logical to assume that the first 10 words are also false?'

Science has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that the literal view of early Genesis is false, but that anyone should take that view is the second biggest mystery in the history of the universe.


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ochaye
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Message 74 of 687 (520799)
08-24-2009 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Sasuke
08-24-2009 2:47 AM


Re: Militant Athiesm?
'the hitler-darwin connection'

A myth propagated by people as despicable as Hitler, and more dangerous. Do not be taken in.

Evolution has made Homo sapiens into the social animal par excellence, and defined the likes of Nazis as biological as well as moral retards.

Yes, evolution is moral. Something to meditate upon.


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ochaye
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Message 76 of 687 (520801)
08-24-2009 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Sasuke
08-24-2009 2:59 AM


Re: Getting Older
'whether or not the story in Genesis is true or false can't be proven.'

The story in Gen 1 is proven false in the literal sense by Gen 2. At least one of the stories must be allegorical (and probably both, as scholarship holds) and there was never any need for science to come along and say so. Indeed, this was believed for hundreds of years before Darwin and Wallace.


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ochaye
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Message 77 of 687 (520802)
08-24-2009 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Sasuke
08-24-2009 3:05 AM


Re: Militant Athiesm?
Also an opinion can't be proven true or false.'

If it can't be proved false, you can forget about that link you posted.


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ochaye
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Message 80 of 687 (520806)
08-24-2009 3:45 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Sasuke
08-24-2009 3:21 AM


Re: Getting Older
'What proof is there that indeed, in a absolute sense, that because gen 2 is contradictory to gen 1 that this means that gen 1 is false???'

There is no proof that any of it is true. These discussions are based on the premise that religious belief of a certain sort is founded on the truth of certain books. Now, laddie, your argument is blown to bits, and trying to shift goalposts is not good.


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Message 82 of 687 (520808)
08-24-2009 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Sasuke
08-24-2009 3:47 AM


Re: Getting Older
Go get some logic lessons, child.

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ochaye
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Message 96 of 687 (520867)
08-24-2009 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by ICANT
08-24-2009 10:34 AM


Re: proven false
'Genesis 2:4 is the history of what took place in Genesis 1:1.'

That was the story that fundamentalists came up with eventually.


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ochaye
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Message 117 of 687 (521007)
08-25-2009 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by ICANT
08-24-2009 10:19 PM


Re: proven false
quote:
If you know some of those fundamentalist would you please give me their name or tell me where I can find them.

Its a common excuse on the 'net, these days, ever since I first pointed out that Genesis contradicts itself if understood literally. Just look around. Fundamentalists pretend that they can't see the contradictions of Gen 2 with Gen 1, and employ their own bigoted circularity by insisting that Gen 2 is the detailed history of Gen 1, entirely removing the possibility of there being separate accounts from their terrified minds.

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