ICANT'S position in the creation debate

Hi Perdition You are right in that the universe is finite but unbounded (unbounded in that it can expand forever unless acted on by gravity or "ripped"). However, the assumption that the universe is infinite in your context is that it is infinite in the sense that we could never reach reach the end. However, this argument relies on the assumption that nothing can move faster than the speed of life, which is true... to a point. If you have heard of "warp drives" from Star Trek, then you should know that they are actually looked as a possible technology today (though obviously not immediately). I won't go into total idea here, but the ulterior idea is that such a drive would warp the space around it such as light does, moving space relative to us rather than the other way around.And earlier in the thread I read about the beginning of the universe. ICANT (and everyone else), if you want, you could take a look at a thread I just made called When Branes Collide which addresses this point.Edited by Teapots&unicorns, : No reason given.Edited by Teapots&unicorns, : No reason given.

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I think it's about 60-90,000

Apparenty, ICANT, you do not understand what role relativity plays in GPS. Judging by Einstein's relativity, the faster an object goes, the slower time goes relative to that object. In GPS satellites, the radar depends on bei ng able to accurately measure the time and distance made by a vehicle or person extremely accurately. If it misjudged your time or speed, you could end up in, for example, Ground Zero in stead of the Empire State building- possibly more.

Hi ICANT Please, please, please try to understand what we are trying to say. The actual time that has passed for the clock on Everest is different than that that passed for the one that is at a lower elevation. This is because gravity, as a product of matter, has influenced space-time. If you can, please take a look at the speed of light in relationship to time- I'm sure you will find out a lot and hopefully bring something to the discussion. Not so. Existence and duration are the same thing. This is what we call space-time. And just because we measure it does not mean that it does not exist independent of our measurements. For example, if I look at a forest and say there are 200 trees (whether right or wrong) does that mean that there would not be 200 trees if I was not there to count?When it comes down to it, science and mathematics are just properties of the universe that we have discovered, not created. If we had created, them, then why do we still not know more/everything? Do you think that science and mathematics exist regardless of being measured or observed? It's the "If a tree falls in a forest" argument. Please answer with a straightforward and clear answer. If you do not or cannot, then the continuation of this thread is a waste of time.Edited by Teapots&unicorns, : No reason given.

Yes ICANT. Time is a property of the universe, because the "universe" is just the combination of "space" and "time" in to "spacetime." Now we're getting somewhere.

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