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Author Topic:   ICANT'S position in the creation debate
Aurora
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Message 669 of 687 (603011)
02-02-2011 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 664 by ICANT
10-01-2009 2:12 PM


Re: ICANT'S POSITION
ICANT writes:


Therefore anything you believe concerning the universe and life in it is based upon your faith in what you have been told or have read.

God Bless,

It is true that from ancient times till today, anything we believe concerning the universe and life in it is based upon our faith in what we have been told or have read. But sometimes what is written or what we are told to belief are wrong. Earlier people believe the earth was flat, the sun revolves around the earth, etc. It is through science (not from the bible) that we learn more about the universe and life on earth.


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Aurora
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Message 673 of 687 (603061)
02-02-2011 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 670 by ICANT
02-02-2011 11:38 AM


Re: ICANT'S POSITION
Hi ICANT,

I'm sorry for not knowing that this thread was closed a long time ago. I thought the moderator would announce the closure in the last post. Anyway thanks for the response.

ICANT writes:

The sun does revolve around the earth. It just takes 200 million years to make the trip. Let me explain: The sun revolves around the earth every 365 1/4 days more or less. The sun also circles the galaxy every 200 million years which would make the sun revolve around the earth one time to accomplish its revolution around the galaxy.


Excuse my knowledge in astronomy but if what you mention is the Solar System's galactic year, moving at 220 km/second and completing one revolution every 225–250 million years, doesn't it include the Earth, then how can we say the sun revolves around the earth.

ICANT writes:

That is your opinion.

Yes, its my humble opinion that it is through science (not from the bible) that we learn more about the universe and life on earth.

ICANT writes:

Science says "we don't know".

It is also my humble opinion that when Science says "we don't know" it is more believable than what the Bible tells us 'what is'.

ICANT writes:

Many have accepted by faith what they have been told.

Yes, I admire their faith and wish they keep it to themselves and not try prove the accuracy of the Bible through pseudoscience.


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Aurora
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Message 677 of 687 (603265)
02-03-2011 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 674 by ICANT
02-02-2011 5:05 PM


Re: ICANT'S POSITION
Hi ICANT,
ICANT writes:

Now as to how can the sun make one revolution around the earth in its journey.

Draw a circle on a piece of paper put the numbers of a clock on it. Then take two objects and place one of them on 12. Take the other and make a complete revolution around the one on 12. Then move the one on 12 to the number 1 and repeat the process and continue doing so for each number until you return to 12.

Now if you can you explain to me how you can accomplish this feat without the object that stayed on the numbers making a circle around the object that was orbiting around it I will retract my statement. "The sun does revolve around the earth."

Assuming you are serious, I'll take your illustration. The orbit of the object (sun) that stayed on the numbers being much longer it takes relatively longer time (225 million years) to complete one revolution whereas the orbit of the other object (earth) being shorter it takes shorter time(1 year) to revolve around the object on the number (sun). Since the other object(earth) revolves around the object on the number(sun) along its movement around the numbers(galaxy), we cannot say the object on the number (sun) revolves around the other object (earth). Remember 'to revolve' means to orbit around a central point or an object.

The analogy drawn by Taq is also very clear.

From my understanding the only possibility is only if the earth revolves around the sun extremely slow or that the sun revolves extremely fast, so that during the sun's revolution the earth is still within its orbit (A to B in the picture).

ICANT writes:

I was not referring to the faith of the believers in the Bible.

I was referring in the faith of those who trust in a science that has no answer for how the universe and life began to exist. If you don't know how they began to exist you can not be certain how we got from there to here.

Sorry, as I was reading the last sentence of the summation of your position and I presume it to be the faith of the Bible believer. If its about the faith of those who trust in science, then I think you have been shown the evidences.

ICANT writes:

But I do believe the Bible when properly understood has no problems with science except the how of the begining to exist of the universe and life.

I believe the Bible has many nice stories, poetic beauty, words of wisdom, etc, but the myriad of miracles are problems with science.


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Aurora
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Message 682 of 687 (603476)
02-04-2011 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 679 by ICANT
02-03-2011 8:26 PM


Re: ICANT'S POSITION
Hi ICANT,

ICANT writes:

I said: Now if you can you explain to me how you can accomplish this feat without the object that stayed on the numbers making a circle around the object that was orbiting around it I will retract my statement.

Please See the previous illustration again: The object (red) on the number do not make a circle around the object (blue) that was orbiting around it because the object (blue) is always moving away from the orbit of the object (red) on the number. You cannot circle an object which is constantly moving away from your orbit.

ICANT writes:

I did not say revolve I said make a circle around the orbiting object.

Sorry ICANT, that's Worse. To make 'a circle' around the orbiting object, the orbiting object needs to be at the centre. Remember 'a circle' is the locus of all points equidistant from a central point.


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