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Author | Topic: If you believe the human genome is "designed" why is it such a mess? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
Mammuthus
As a genomic scientist I (and all of us) have been noting the conservaiton and introduction of completely new protien families. We have dozens of genomes. But it is early days. The data already is suggestive of distinct kinds and I will predict it will become more so except that the issue of loss vs gain will muddy the waters.
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Tranquility Base Inactive Member |
The 'mess' of the genome is similar to the 'mess' on your hard drive. It might look like a mess to you but it works just fine. Files all over the place, some split in 30 pieces, temp files everywhere. Very analogous.
And yes, in our model, the fall undoubtedly did affect genomes.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Not a terribly good analogy really. The messier your hard drive gets the less well it functions. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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peter borger Member (Idle past 7665 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: |
dear TB,
You write:"The 'mess' of the genome is similar to the 'mess' on your hard drive. It might look like a mess to you but it works just fine. Files all over the place, some split in 30 pieces, temp files everywhere. Very analogous. And yes, in our model, the fall undoubtedly did affect genomes." I say:What model do you refer to? Could you please update me (references). I am also thinking a lot about a new model, since the evolutionary one doesn't work. So I like two read about the one you refer to. Thanks and best wishes, Peter
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6475 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
As a genomic scientist I (and most of the rest of us) have not found evidence of a undefineable "kinds". And conservation of and generation of new protein families in what way supports creationism?
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6475 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
Ah.. please show experimental evidence for the fall..if you cannot your model is wrong
And again, your model predicts an incompetent engineer of a designer if your best analogy is a fragmented computer hard drive. Or at least an extremely lazy one if as you say "It might look like a mess to you but it works just fine".
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Too bad we can't "defrag" the gene pool as well.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No kidding! LOL!
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
Do we really know enough about the genome to declare it as a mess? Only when we know the function of every single part can we truly make such a sugestion. Do we know all the possible effects that would occur when changing any one part?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1479 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: Don't let Syamsu hear you say that he might think youare talking about ethnic cleansing
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6475 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: *************************** We know the effects of deleting parts, large chunks, duplicating etc....do YOU know enough about genomics to declare anything?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1479 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
We know what starts and stops look like (don't we),
so if the genome is designed why are there nested start/stop sequences? If these were placed in by random mutation after theevent ... the whole creationist argument about beneficial mutations falls down ... you cannot have both. Any proposal that contains contradictions is likely to beitself incorrect. (awaits tons of evolutionary contradictions )
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
Could you please expand a bit on what you meant by "the whole creationist argument about beneficial mutations"?
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mopsveldmuis Inactive Member |
No, I'm not an expert on genomics, but I don't think we can call the human genome a mess until we can recreate a better version of it and give it life.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Since when is stupidity an ethnic group? From my experience it is a majority.
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