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Author Topic:   Are Fundamentalists Inherently Immoral
Stile
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Message 73 of 161 (521608)
08-28-2009 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Modulous
08-27-2009 5:01 PM


Decision vs. Action?
Modulous writes:
Perdition writes:
However, I would still say raping her is wrong, because 1) rape is wrong and 2) despite being his mother, she is not responsible for the Holocaust and capital punishment of the sort rape would have to be is not justified.
So you'd condemn thousands of Jewish women (and probably not a few men), not to mention non-Jewish residents of conquered lands to be raped, tortured and millions to be murdered? It's not like they were responsible for the Holocaust either.
Sure it's distasteful - I'd have difficulty doing it. I might not be able to do it. But I'd still consider it a moral imperative if I knew that doing it would remove the Holocaust. Unless we think that Hitler's actions made for a more secure future so that the violent deaths of millions enabled the peaceful existence of billions.
There might be a bit of jumping around for the context of right/wrong in here.
I agree with Perdition (given Rhavin's clarification on somehow only having the two choices).
1 - I would rape Hitler's Mom (or at least try...)
2 - Out of the two choices, raping Hitler's Mom is "better" ("good"?) and the holocost is "worse" ("bad").
3 - In the overall sense, I would still say that raping Hitler's Mom is "bad".
Sort of a lesser-of-two-evils type of thing.
I'd call it a "good decision", but still not a "good action".
...not sure if that even makes sense, but it's what's in my head.

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Stile
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Message 75 of 161 (521623)
08-28-2009 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Modulous
08-28-2009 9:19 AM


Re: Clarification
Modulous writes:
In direct response to your post, I agree - it is the lesser of two evils - but when the decision is yours to make the morally right choice is to pick the lesser of two evils, yes? It is of course incredibly rare that 'rape' happens to be the lesser of two (or more) evils.
Yes.
I just thought that's what Perdition said, then you questioned him when he still called it "wrong". I think all 3 of us are talking about the same thing, and agree, we're just getting confused between the local use of right/wrong (rape vs. holocaust) and the overall use of right/wrong (the action of raping).
Personally, I would describe it as a morally good decision that results in consciously choosing to do a morally bad action.
It is an important step in morality, when we start to understand that decisions and actions are seperate. I think your morality is far beyond this step, but my clarification is more for on-lookers then a correction to your personal self.
Sort of like first-aid. If you have two cut fingers, but only one bandage, you bandage the worst-cut. That doesn't make it good to have an open wound.. it's just the best decision from the limited situation.
It is important to remember that an open wound is still bad for all situations (including this one), just as it is important to remember that rape is still wrong for all situations (including this one). It's just the limitations of the situation that prevents us from attending all wounds, or avoiding all wrongs.

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