Atheist attitudes.

HERE is a video of Richard Dawkins interviewing a creationits lady.What frightens me most is that she talks a lot in these videos, about agression, and about a society where people believe in God and love.She comes across as a lovely, kind woman. But what concerns me is the comments atheists, or evolutionists discussing the videos, seem to come out with.How could anyone want to, and I quote; "love to beat the shit out of this stupid bitch".In all of these utube interviews with Dawkins and Creationists, the thing that frightens me most is the sinful nature of those discussing the videos.Does it concern you as a none-believer that someone could hold such spite for such a benevolent creature as this lady?It only confirms scripture, to me.(I should note that I thought Richard Dawkins was respectful, and did not promote an agressive attitude, and seems like an honest individual.. My prime concern isn't the interview, but the terrible hatred that seems to run through peoples veins, and spite, and poison for creationists. We must be very, very guilty of some major crime for promoting the love of Christ.)Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

John MacKay interviewsome comments about killing John were made. Also this comment, which i find to be a very true attitude amongst you;" The very existence of creationists in the 21st C leads me to hypothesise that they have not yet reached Homo sapiens status. Perhaps as an indication of their retarded intellectual development, we should rename them Homo creationalensis; reduce them to sub-human status and retract their human rights "It seems to me that the level of PRIDE and HATRED and ANGER in a lot of atheists, is frightening and can be very volatile and confrontational.Do you think such evidence of sin is supposed to sway us to your side?

Thread copied here from the Atheist attitudes. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

Come on Mike, these are YouTube comments. Do you seriously think there are no purported christians with equally vile views posted similarly? I'm certainly not going to stand up for the views of every supposed atheist on YouTube. There are lots of asshats commenting on YouTube, I'm sure a fairly substantial proportion of them would identify themselves as atheists.TTFN,WK

For me, it confirms that there are a lot of jerks out there who, from the safety of anonymity, lash out aggressively at anybody who disagrees with them, probably without taking any arguments into consideration. This goes for atheist and religious people alike. Dawkins himself has published, I think in "The God Delusion", citations of hate mail, sometimes of a really blood curdling nature, which he received from religious people. Whatever atheist morons are capable of, religious morons can do just as well.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Hi Mike,I got some Youtube comments for ya; Nice. Easy on the potty-mouth there Craig!Matthew Sheppard, in case you're wondering, was a young man who was murdered for being gay. Gee, I hope "Mr Pooper" is his real name.So what have I proved? That all Christians are semi-literate haters? Of course not. You can't use a few objectionable douchebags to condemn an entire group. The same applies to atheist Youtube commenters. All we've proved here is that there are some serious assholes who post at Youtube.This is a very silly thread. I think your time would be better spent helping Dr A with his Suzy dilemma, rather than trawling through Youtube comments.Mutate and Survive

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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

According to that particular individual's youtube profile he is 19 years old. It is not unheard of for young men with a certain level of anonymity to 'shoot their mouths off'. Maybe he was being sincere - who can say? - but I wouldn't read too much into it.Reading the comments on that page it seems the general consensus is that the woman is incredibly annoying/irritating with a variety of ways of expressing this sentiment. Welcome to humanity. You'll find the odd Creationist that expresses worse sentiments - such as their hope that one day they will get to laugh at atheists as they are tortured. You'll find the occasional atheist who is subject to repeated acts of vandalism in a Creationist dominated area and even the occasional direct threat of violence, social ostracisement and so on.Matthew 7:3 and all that. Surely you don't really think that 'promoting the love of Christ' is what people find distasteful about Creationists?

It is this naivity that I find both extraordinary and terrifying - that Mike, who used to be able to reason well, can now be so blinded and deluded...

I was thinking just that. It's so easy to refute Mike nowadays. It's no fun anymore...

Mike, the internet has an interesting effect on otherwise perfectly sane individuals: It's an unfortunate truth that anonymity and an audience frequently brings out the worst in people. You're seeing a combination of the Internet Tough Guy (the same guy who proposes horrible tortures as retribution for relatively minor offenses, thinks nuking the entire Middle East is a great way to solve all of the violence,and generally feels incapable of responding with anything not absolutely drenched in machismo and testosterone, typically covering the fact that he still lives with his mommy and has never touched a girl) and basic herd mentality (the individuals are trying to establish themselves in the atheist community, and somehow believe that posting the "toughest" response achieves this goal).YouTube comments are always shit. When's the last time you looked at the comments for a popular Atheist video? "You'll burn in hell" is tame.Here's my perspective:I hate Christianity. It's not a mindless hate - I simply resent the fact that I was effectively brainwashed into the religion from the moment I could understand speech, and was not given the chance to make a decision for myself. I resent the social pressure provided by my friends and family, I resent the fact that even now I cannot tell my family that I'm an Atheist for fear of being disowned. Most of all I resent the utter bullshit that religion in general but Christianity most of all (simply by "virtue" of being one of the largest religions) thwarts humanitarian efforts at every turn; the AIDS crisis in Africa and even here in the US is in large part perpetuated by idiotic abstinence-only bullshit. Catholic representatives in Africa have told people that condoms cause AIDS, for fuck's sake, because contraceptives are evil and that justifies letting people contract a terminal illness. I resent the "end-times" bullshit that continually affects attitudes and even national policies towards environmentalism and the Middle East. I resent the typical Christian treatment of homosexuality, and the Fundamentalist insistence on invading secular schools. I despise "Faith healers" who actively con people into believing that their illnesses are healed, taking advantage of blind faith. I utterly hate those who let their children die rather than go to a hospital because they have faith that God will heal the child.I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for the beliefs themselves. I think, to put it perfectly bluntly, that the concept that there is an invisible man in the sky who simultaneously loves everyone but also wants to put the vast majority of people into eternal burning torment and who sacrificed himself to himself to atone for a debt owed to himself is absolutely stupid. Idiotic. Moronic. Retarded.I think the world will be much better off when the last brick of the last church falls on the head of the last priest.All of the things I hate about Christianity are not simply things done by a few Christians - they're actually the very doctrine of the religion. I'm not targeting individuals - it's the beliefs themselves and the natural consequence of such things as "thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, that is an abomination" and other doctrines that lead directly to bigotry and frequently to violence.And yet I would never advocate violence towards a Christian, or anyone else. I wouldn't beat someone up just because I thought their beliefs were stupid; if I were to do that, I'd be in fistfights all day long every day for the rest of my life, and that's even disregarding Christianity.I don't even go out of my way to argue with people about religion - I don't even get into verbal fights except for forums like this one that are designed for the purpose of debating religion and science. The only time I even talk about religion in the real world is when someone else brings it up first - especially when someone tries to convert me.Does it disgust me that people can be dickwads on the internet? I find what they express to be repugnant. There are certainly some Christians that I'd consider guilty of child abuse and who should be locked up, but those people are a tiny minority and I'd feel the same regarding anyone who lets kids die solely based on their personal beliefs regardless of what those beliefs are.The right to believe whatever your conscience dictates, even if I or everyone else in the world thinks that belief is stupid or even repugnant, is one of the core rights of civilized nations. Wherever that right is violated, tyranny follows. I've never met an actual adult Atheist who seriously advocates a violent response to religion. I've never heard of an Atheism-motivated killing or assault. The news has never opened with a story about a suicide bomber who screamed "there is no God!" before blowing himself up in a crowded marketplace. I've never heard of an Atheist screaming "Natural selection!" and shooting an abortion doctor.Have you?Of course, I've heard of religious people, Christians many of them, doing exactly those things in the name of their beliefs.I find it curious that words, and usually not even violent words qualify Atheists as "militant," but it takes a bullet in the chest of a doctor to apply the label to a Christian.Edited by Admin, : Reduce image width.

Kudos. Well said. I wish I could be as eloquent in my righteous indignation as you. Thank you for expressing a lot of what I myself feel.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

It appears to me that the militancy of which the religious use as an attack on Atheists, is that the religious dogma is more sacred a than a human life. We are militants because we have the audacity to attack their sacred beliefs, but they are only militants if they kill someone.

It has come to my attention that xtians are just trying to turn the tide. They are blindly throwing at us, the terms we use against them.Think about how they call science "dogma" or say we worship Darwin or Dawkins. Accusing atheists of using circular reasoning. THEY are the militant ones. They just want to try and shift the blame.

I leave others to comment more thoroughly but I have to say that I found the interview fascinating (I watched all the parts available) and despite obviously disagreeing with almost all of what she said she acquitted herself exceptionally well.

Rahvin
The only reason I am not going to nominate this for POTM is because every time I nominate one of your posts it is for exactly the same reason.Namely: "I wish I had said that".Well said. Again.