Hi Peg,
From message 43:
Peg writes:
I must remind you that Jesus said that he came to save the 'ailing' and those needing a physician. while these words have a spiritual application, surely they must have a physical application also?
You got some strange Bible there. I can't find where Jesus said he came to save the 'ailing' nor those needing a physician.
I do find where He says:
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Peg writes:
If God has no means of saving those who are incapable of saving themselves, then the sacrifice of Jesus is meaningless and not achieving the expressed purposed it was intended for.
The purpose of the death on the cross was to restore mankind and the universe back to the original state they were in in Genesis 1:1.
John 3:16 tells us "God so loved the kosmos (universe) that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Peg writes:
There must be a salvation for ALL humans both good and bad for the scriptures indicate as such
Really???
Peg writes:
Notice in 1John 2:2 he says "not only for OUR sins" but also for "whole worlds"
1John 4:14 world = kosmos.
1John 2:2 world = kosmos.
Peg writes:
there is further evidence that even people who never did good works or had faith in God will be saved...Acts 24:15 says There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
You do love to cherry pick don't you?
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
It seems like there are some people who will be in a resurrection that will rule and reign with Christ whom the second death will have no power over.
It seems like there are some people that will be in a resurrection from the grave and hell that will be judged and cast into the lake of fire suffering the second death, eternal separatin from God.
Peg writes:
Its a shame because the truth is that everyone who has ever died will be coming back to live right here on earth.... a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous....salvation for all mankind.
Everybody is not coming back here to live on earth.
There will be a new heaven and a new earth as they will be restored to their original perfection. The New Jerusalem will come down to the new earth and God will come down to earth and live with mankind.
But as pointed out above there will be a lot of people that will be in the lake of fire.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."