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Author Topic:   INTELLIGENT DESIGN: An Engineer’s Approach
Jazzns
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Message 11 of 302 (369736)
12-14-2006 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by NOT JULIUS
12-14-2006 1:03 PM


People are forgetting the most basic difference between cars or other inanimate object and living beings is that living beings MAKE COPIES OF THEMSELVES!
The argument of design by common traits is rediculous given this basic mechanism of life. You can tell that your Adidas shoes and bag are designed becuase that is the only way they can come into existence. We can also tell because we know the designer of those artifacts and can watch them being designed today.
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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 15 of 302 (369754)
12-14-2006 2:51 PM
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12-14-2006 2:14 PM


You analogy still fails because the cars are not the ones doing the construction. The point is simply that you cannot use homology by itself as proof of design because life is a continuous sequence of homology due to reproduction.
Adidas shoes and cars do not reproduce. Yes you can make a robot that will continually make Adidas shoes or cars but that that does no change the fact that two M3's don't ever get together to make a Mini. The only reason cars and Adidas shoes are made with homolgies is because we make them that way. The reason biological beings share homologies is because somewhere down the line they came from a reproductive event of the same biological being.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 22 of 302 (369776)
12-14-2006 5:12 PM
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12-14-2006 3:08 PM


No I am not saying that. My argument is not against a designer. My argument is against using homology as proof of a designer.
Because a function of life is reproduction, homologies in life are not characteristic of intention. Inanimate things like shoes and cars can ONLY be created and thus their homologies ARE characeristics of intention. That is why analogies of life to inanimate things such as cars fail.
I am not trying to disprove a designer. That is impossible. I have only shown that the argument of design via homology is a failed argument.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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