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Author Topic:   INTELLIGENT DESIGN: An Engineer’s Approach
Archer Opteryx
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Message 214 of 302 (372393)
12-27-2006 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by limbosis
12-27-2006 4:07 AM


Re: Genetic Algorithms as a Substitute for Design
limbosis:
Nominal body size gets dumped all over by the theory of evolution, which maintains that average body size sometimes gets reduced when food is scarce (on islands and such). The problem with that is that it would necessarily apply to all animals, regardless of where they are, or how much food there is. Reduced body size would supposedly tend to stabilize a particular species most effectively. Of course, that would have led to diminutive dinosaurs, and elephants the size of grapes.
It's no problem for evolutionary theory at all. Selective pressures exist toward larger as well as smaller sizes. Context is all. Size will tend toward whatever norm confers the best reproductive and survival advantage on the creature in the environment.
Reduced size is indeed an advantage in some environments: reduced food supply, thick forestation, etc. But larger size is an advantage in others: oceans, open plains, etc. A smaller size enables better ability to hide from predators, but a large size confers a survival advantage against predators in environments where hiding places are few.
Push the slider toward either end of the size scale and something is gained, something is lost. It's always a tradeoff. The deciding factor is context: what works best in the environment?
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 215 of 302 (372394)
12-27-2006 4:48 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by limbosis
12-26-2006 11:05 PM


the intelligently designed toothache
limbosis:
Even if speciation did occur, even if evolution was an actual process, nothing would have properly explained the initiation of life itself. This is where science has no choice but to embrace any alternative.
This like saying (1) that the theory of plate tectonics can't explain why you have a toothache, then saying (2) that because plate tectonics can't explain your toothache 'nothing' in science can, then saying (3) that science (including the science of dentistry) must therefore abandon its acceptance of plate tectonic theory and conclude that your toothache was designed on purpose by an intelligent being. Let the exorcisms begin.
Your assumptions are:
1. that evolution is supposed to explain the origin of life
2. that if evolution can't, nothing in science can
3. that if science faces unanswered questions in some area, the only solution is ID.
False premises all.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 218 of 302 (372442)
12-27-2006 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by johnfolton
12-27-2006 11:44 AM


Re: the intelligently designed toothache
That's a remarkable monologue, Charley. Thank you for sharing.
You haven't refuted my assertion. Here it is again.
quote:
Your assumptions [in these ID arguments] are:
1. that evolution is supposed to explain the origin of life
2. that if evolution can't, nothing in science can
3. that if science faces unanswered questions in some area, the only solution is ID.
False premises all.
You concur with me about item 1.
Do you agree that items 2 and 3 are false premises as well?
If so, say so. If not, why not?
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 232 of 302 (372504)
12-28-2006 4:51 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2006 2:52 PM


Re: Sex organs and ID
The penis and the vagina are perfectly suited for one another.
Anecdotal evidence exists to suggest that assertions of perfection on this point are rather naive. I leave it to you to conduct the inquiries.
I'd like to get all of your thoughts on the intricacies of both female and male sex organs, inside the body and out, and to discuss how sexual intercourse employs each function.
You're not going to stump the panel by challenging it to consider ways the human reproduction system could have been better designed.
But I grant you: this topic is likely to prove much more popular than the toothache.
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Edited by Archer Opterix, : fertile imagination spawning new literary ideas.

Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 240 of 302 (372586)
12-28-2006 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by johnfolton
12-27-2006 6:43 PM


Re: the intelligently designed toothache
Charley:
I could find no evidence that the God of the bible is driving the corruption. Its likely the god of this world that is driving the corruption to weaken the health of the world.
One reason why is that flouride affects the mind and this was why Hitler used flouride is said to manipulate the minds of the peoples.
Did you really write something this surreal or has my Colgate just kicked in?
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 294 of 302 (373034)
12-30-2006 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Percy
12-29-2006 10:16 AM


Re: cancer warning
Percy:
Please, anyone out there with cancer or concerns about cancer, be sure to seek professional medical help. Do not waste time on folk or quack remedies, the consequences of delay are too drastic to consider.
Absolutely. Emphatically seconded.
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Archer
All species are transitional.

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