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Message 13 of 258 (527328)
09-30-2009 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Admin
09-29-2009 8:26 AM


Re: How good an idea is this?
Hi Percy,

The intent is consistent with what LindaLou mentioned at one point, and is the same as the Post of the Month threads. Members should rate messages as to their quality, not as to whether they agree or disagree, or whether they like or dislike the author.

That will be difficult to control.

I've been on boards where ratings were used to grade participants from the lurkers, who did not have to justify their ratings -- it could be that they honestly rated people OR it could be that they used the ratings as part of their campaign to prove their side.

Certainly it is difficult to objectively rate a post that you are debating against, and this will be the average result.

You might want fewer buttons with some guide as to their meaning

Good Point/s

Above Average Post

Post of the Month Material

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Message 22 of 258 (527938)
10-03-2009 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Admin
10-03-2009 7:26 AM


Re: A 3 button admin only demerit system?
Hi Percy,

I think it is valuable to be able to mark exceptional posts, and you could have a

Post of the Month Nomination

That would automatically put the nomination in the POTM thread.

You could also have the message display

This message has been rated POTM material by
  • RAZD
  • Onifre
  • Straggler
etc

This would allow readers of the thread to notice the POTM nominations and also see who it was that was making the rating (and see how biased it is based on their opinion of the rater/s): one should be willing to stand for their vote eh?

Overall ratings for members is more problematical, as it is not a true survey of opinion (and it is opinion) of all the readers.

My experience on other boards has been that it is used as a weapon for lurkers to bump messages they agree with while avoiding confrontation with reasons why their position is poor or bad - an indication of confirmation bias for messages you agree with and of cognitive dissonance for messages you disagree with. In other words it becomes argument by popularity.

I even asked to be rated poorly (it was a OEC Christian run and YEC dominated forum) because the bias was so thick that messages clearly false (CTD's math) were rated high.

So I would not have an overall member rating system.

If you want to keep a record of POTM through the radio button response on a members profile, with links to the posts, then that might be a value when running yearly stats.

I would also have the rating show which admin rated it so, and keep the stats only in admin land.

Enjoy.

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Message 50 of 258 (574595)
08-16-2010 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by shalamabobbi
08-15-2010 1:15 AM


positive rating only avoids problems
Hi

and I think it is extremely counterproductive where the YEC side is concerned..

I think it is counterproductive period. It is more of a popularity contest than an evaluation of how well an argument is made.

I'll hold out for the upgrade promised, but don't hold much hope that it will significantly alter the misuse.

I think it would be more interesting if it listed WHO rated it WHAT and if they had to post a short explanation of WHY that would appear with hovertext.

I also think it should only apply to ratings above average (ie any mark is a positive mark), or else there needs to be a way for the default to be 3's for every time it is read and no marking is made, which currently is not the case.

As in


Rating By

5 Percy (because I wish I had said it, it is concise and adresses the
issue with clear language)

Enjoy.

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Message 56 of 258 (575048)
08-18-2010 6:54 PM
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08-18-2010 8:48 AM


Re: positive rating only avoids problems
Either seem like a good system. Perhaps a combination: everyone sees the votes, the poster sees who voted.

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Message 61 of 258 (577883)
08-30-2010 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Adminnemooseus
08-30-2010 3:01 PM


Re: Tram getting "1" message ratings -- make that the default rating
Except people mark a post 1 because they don't like what it says, regardless of how well written or on topic it is, and mark posts a 5 because they like what it says, regardless of how off topic it is and how much it fails to address the issue/s.

Looking at the message gives you no clue to why they are marked that way other than pettyness.

I still think it should be seen who rates a post what (perhaps each poster gets two ratings: what others rate them and what they rate others).

Yes it is a bogus system, and abused very much like a creationist site I was at -- and I had the same reaction than Tram has had: give me ones, because the lower my rating the more controversial I am.

If the default rating was 1 then anyone marking a post could only rate it higher.

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Message 95 of 258 (633009)
09-11-2011 11:57 PM


Kudos for cheers and jeers ... but
At first I was a little bewildered when I saw cheers\jeers in place of like\dislike ...

... and then I realized that these terms more accurately described the way the buttons were used: to cheer for the home team and to jeer at the opposition.

As it sits, this would seem to be an indicator of (a) how many people you coddle to and (b) how many people you annoy (so if my "rating" gets above 7, then I haven't annoyed enough people).


But of course, I still think that a single button or check box for "good post" (isn't this what you want to know?) would be sufficient. If you don't like a post or disagree with it then say so, and say why.

Good post

This goes along with the old urban advise "if you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything at all" ...

If you wanted to expand on this, you could have a feature where hitting the button would then open up a small form with check boxes to show why it is a good post:

Post of the Month candidate
Well written
Clarity of message
Concise
To the point
other

Likewise you could have a button down with the and buttons that would open a window with some options:

Flag for response from:
Flag for admin review
off topic
abusive language
spam
other

This would create a flag similar to the replies and could be annotated below the replies in the same way:

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Taz has responded
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Admin has acknowledged this flag

Where the flag would be treated like a response and show up on the members page as a yes with an arrow.

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Message 97 of 258 (633078)
09-12-2011 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by nwr
09-12-2011 12:22 AM


Re: Kudos for cheers and jeers ... but
Hi nwr

People will still vote as they want to vote.

And those that want to be partisan team players, that consistently cheer their "team" and consistently jeer any opposition, will continue to do so. That's why I've said that if my rating gets too high, then I am not annoying enough people .

I've been on partisan websites where similar ratings are used, but anonymous, and my experience was that a majority of the ratings were from lurkers, cheering and jeering.

There's one exception to the above that I am experimenting with. And that's for posts in PNT. For a PNT post, I give a "+" for "please promote - this is an interesting topic" and a "-" for "I see this as a topic not worthy of promotion."

An excellent idea, but this would also work for

Good post

With less ambiguity.

You could also use the flag function to do this.

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Message 109 of 258 (714412)
12-22-2013 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Jon
12-22-2013 10:03 AM


Re: No Jeers
I see only + is available now.

And member rating is gone (not that I thought it showed much value)

Maybe there could be a (gold?) icon for 5+ cheers and then this could be linked to POTM (so it is more of a consensus vote) in the future system -- automatically posts thread and message?

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Message 116 of 258 (714564)
12-23-2013 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by AZPaul3
12-23-2013 6:23 PM


Re: No Jeers
do the damsels fly or are they just nymphs?

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Message 140 of 258 (714709)
12-26-2013 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Admin
12-26-2013 9:42 AM


Short of just reporting the raw sum of plus and minus votes, how else would you do it?

Which doesn't take into account the amount of posts a person makes and the null votes ...

perhaps some kind of decay weighting based on posting history - the older it is in the post count the less value it has in the rating?

The default should be 5, not 10

Enjoy

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Message 147 of 258 (715637)
01-07-2014 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by herebedragons
01-07-2014 12:46 PM


Re: Cheers System
Perhaps a member rating system that simply divides number of cheers received in a 90 day period by the number of posts in that same period. ...

How about cheers per hundred posts over the last 100 posts (easier for me than for some ) and posting it as a percentage number.


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Message 149 of 258 (715640)
01-07-2014 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Adminnemooseus
01-07-2014 10:29 PM


Re: Ideally, a (+) for a very good message, a (-) for a very bad message
I've been advocating from way back, that the (+) option be in the hands of the members and the (-) option be only in the hands of the admins.

What about the person who starts a thread and wants to mark a reply off-topic?

Would it be possible for admin to disable a reply button and have a pop-up that says "off topic"?


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Message 159 of 258 (716243)
01-13-2014 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by AZPaul3
01-09-2014 7:20 AM


Face it -- any rating system will be used as a popularity contest
Face it -- any rating system will be used as a popularity contest, because that is human nature. You rate this positive that are popular with you and negative that are not.

Why not use smilies picked from a (short)list





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Message 164 of 258 (716305)
01-14-2014 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by AZPaul3
01-14-2014 2:43 PM


Re: Nothing wrong with popularity if you're looking for activity
... and all these problems with members like Faith and the inevitable and never ending questions "what's it mean?" ...

Curiously I always took having a high rating as meaning that I hadn't annoyed enough people ...


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Message 166 of 258 (716322)
01-14-2014 5:36 PM
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01-14-2014 4:44 PM


Re: Nothing wrong with popularity if you're looking for activity
... I used to post to one of Faith's threads. ...

Or Straggler ...


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