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Author Topic:   Living fossils expose evolution
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Message 107 of 416 (527181)
09-30-2009 1:10 PM
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09-30-2009 1:08 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
What's your excuse for this?


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Message 123 of 416 (527206)
09-30-2009 2:43 PM
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09-30-2009 2:39 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
Didn't you see this?


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Message 126 of 416 (527209)
09-30-2009 2:48 PM
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09-30-2009 2:45 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
Do you understand that showing animals in stasis, that have not evolved much lately, doesn't really say anything about all the other animals that have been evolving?

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Message 132 of 416 (527218)
09-30-2009 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Calypsis4
09-30-2009 3:02 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
Try this:


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Message 136 of 416 (527222)
09-30-2009 3:16 PM
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09-30-2009 3:13 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
Once again:

So what? Morphological stasis is no problem for the Theory of Evolution.

oh yeah, and there's this still:


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Message 156 of 416 (527243)
09-30-2009 3:57 PM
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09-30-2009 3:37 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
What do you mean, 'so what?'

I mean: "What the hell does that have to do with it? You need to say more to have a point."

Do you even begin to realize how many examples of no evolutionary change in living fossils I can carry this? And I fully intend to do so.

Don't waste your time. A lack of evolutionary change in living fossils is not a problem for the Theory of Evolution.

The ToE does not necessitate that creatures constantly change. If one fits well in a particular niche, then there'd be no selective pressure to change it. Look at crocodiles, they fit great where they are and haven't changed much at all.

Concerning your chart. I've seen nice artwork like that before. Now where are the fossils?

I'm guessing in a museum somewhere. So what?

That means, what's your point here? Please provide more information. Asking where the fossils are is not a point? Do you doubt that they exist?

Furthermore, and even more importantly is how you can possibly explain the anatomical/morphological changes in creatures that supposedly evolved from the oceans to dry land.

Do you know what the Gish Gallop is? you can Google it.

How did water breathing organisms change to oxygen breathing ones?

Gradually. Look at Amphibeans. Some of them can get oxygen from both air and water. Look at the Lungfish. Its a fish that can gulp oxygen from air.

At what point did the first water breathing creature develop the ability to breathe air...before or after it left the water?

Before it left the water.

How did the first mammals feed their young before mammary glands developed?

I don't know the specifics of the evolution of mammary glands, but it doesn't really matter. Pointing out some thing that has yet to be fully explained doesn't help your cause in this thread.

Maybe you could start here:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/11261.../abstract

Do you really believe that the whale evolved into a land animal and then evolved back into the sea as a marine creature?

What a simple mischaracterization of evolution. There were populations and populations of land animals of which some gradually evolved to be partially land and partially marine over long periods of time before some of them began to gradully evolve into fully marine.

You seem to have some gross misunderstandings of the way the Theory of Evolution postulates evolution happening.

How did it change its breathing apparatus without drowning itself?

Very slowly, across many populations of many generation.

Shall I go on?

Go on failing to make your point? No, please stop wasting bandwidth.

None of this even touches the necessary genetic changes that would be required of such transformations. Explain...any of them.

What you posted is a joke.

In the OP you wrote:

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The most damaging thing to evolution about this is that there are no transitionals either before or after this bat. Other species have been found of course, but none reveal any change either from another organism or a change into something else.

I show you a picture of whale evolution and its just a joke. How convenient.


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Message 161 of 416 (527249)
09-30-2009 4:08 PM
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09-30-2009 4:06 PM


Re: Magnolias, Bat, Crayfish, and Opposum
HOW did those organisms overcome virtually impossible anatomical/morphological changes from marine organisms to land organisms?

They gradually evolved over many many generations, with intermediate steps in between.

At what point did the first water breathing creature develop the ability to breathe oxygen...before...or after it ascended to dry land?

It wasn't a single point, and there are many intermediates that could exist both in and out of the water, but the ability to breathe oxygen was before it ascended to dry land.


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