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Author Topic:   Why'd you do it that way, God?
onifre
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Message 26 of 137 (528381)
10-06-2009 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Meldinoor
10-03-2009 4:24 AM


Hi Meldinoor,

So, if you had to make these assumptions, what reasons do you see for the Creator to choose gradual naturalistic processes, as opposed to an undeniably divine creation event?

I'm an atheist, but I've always thought that a good reason for "God" (if such a word actually means something) to use naturalistic processes would be so only intelligent beings with a highly evolved sense of curiosity can finally "find him," so to speak.

By pushing said intelligent creatures to find natural explanations to phenomena, "God" is removing the trivial things attributed to him, and perhaps leading these intelligent creautres to find "him" in the most complex, and yet unknown, regions of reality.

A "God" like this would find it pathetic to know that people still thought "he" was responsible for an eclipse. I also feel this type of "God" would find creationists' arguments about the first cellular life and the Big Bang pathetic as well - (The Big Bang and first cellular life being our days eclipse)

A "God" like that would use naturalistic processes because that way he would insure that only curious, intelligent, hopefully less aggressive and more humain, creatures, such as what I hope humans one day evolve to, can finally "know" what it/god/unknown force in the universe really is.

* I'd like to note as an example of my position on the Pseudo-thread: Whether I happen to be right about this "unknown force," the concept I just gave you about God was completely made up in my mind. Even if I happen to have nailed it right on the head, and that's exactly what God is, what I just gave as a description is completely imagined... and can be rejected on that basis alone. I can honestly say that I have no idea what I'm trying to describe when I describe a "God".

- Oni

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onifre
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Message 38 of 137 (528800)
10-07-2009 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by riVeRraT
10-06-2009 11:28 PM


God's creation surpasses all words, all thoughts, and everything we know.

Doesn't this contradict your point about people coming across like they know it all? If people don't know shit (your words) then how can you know that?

When people in this forum try to down play the meaning of the word worship when it comes to God, and how childish that may seem, and a stupid thing for an omnipresent force to ever want to have, they have no real idea of the true meaning of worship, and why God created it. Everything has a purpose. We take God's creation constantly and make things from it, and there is a purpose. We are like God. Any honest Christian/believer could not really answer why God did it that way. No one can, we just don't know enough. We are too small.

...and how do you know any of this (shit)...?

Aren't you not supposed to know shit, too? (again, your words)

So maybe you're right, maybe we're right, maybe no one is right...I mean, shit, who knows?

yes I made this video, sit back and enjoy:

Not my favorite song (maybe some Floyd, but hey that's just my taste), but a cool video nonetheless. Although kinda wierd at first with that whole minute of footage on the bee/wasp/whatever, but cool afterwards.

- Oni


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onifre
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Message 132 of 137 (574208)
08-14-2010 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Dexx
08-13-2010 1:34 AM


If...

God is limited.

...then it is not a god.

- Oni

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onifre
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Message 136 of 137 (574515)
08-16-2010 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Dexx
08-14-2010 10:05 PM


But if i did, a very powerful being doing the best he can within some tight constraints is more consistent with what i see here on Earth.

How would that definition defer from an advanced race of, say, humans or aliens?

How could god create a universe that places constraints on him?

- Oni

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