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Minority Report
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Message 41 of 137 (538610)
12-08-2009 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by PurpleYouko
10-07-2009 3:01 PM


Is creation timelength relevant to God?
Hello PurpleYouko,
I wonder how can you speculate that God(I'm assuming the Biblical one for this post) would enjoy creating the world over a long period of time, more so than creating the world in an instant? Isn't this just projecting a personal feeling onto God?

I know the question is asking for possible reasons for a long creation, but "fun"?

Consider the Biblical verse dealing with time from Gods perspective. To God a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day. To God, an eternal being, why would billions of years be any different to 6 days? Could he not examine all the events in the universe that happen each nanosecond, and then reveal them to us, say just one nanosecond worth, breaking it down step by step, galaxy by galaxy, planet by planet, atom by atom, to such an extent that to us it would seemingly be like billions of years worth of details?

To God, who is omnipotent, why would taking billions of years to do something, which he can already foresee, be more fun? Would it not be the ultimate in boredom to endlessly watch re-runs of a movie which you already know the ending too, and have already seen an infinite number of times?

I think you can only speculate "fun" as the reason for a long creation, for any 'god' other than the Biblical God.


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Minority Report
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Message 43 of 137 (538690)
12-09-2009 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Meldinoor
12-08-2009 7:09 PM


Hello Meldinoor,

It's been a long time between posts. I took a break for a little while & am considering whether this forum is worth the effort. I have in the mean time been following a number of threads, but did not post as I was not prepared to invest the time required. Arphy & Slavesque et.al Seem to be handling themselves well, and can state things far more eloquently than I ever could. I'm eagerly awaiting to see your response to them in the big debate Re CMI v's skeptics.

Anyhow, not wanting to get too involved, but I'm wondering what is underlying your opening question? Your question implies that God does everything for a reason, and you perhapps feel that God must have a good reason to create through naturalistic mechanisms. But you cannot figure out just what that reason could be. Is there something else going on other than this?

I've tried to think of a good reason why, if God had created over a long period, but had no joy. I did however start thinking like some of the early church fathers, as to why God would take as long as six days? I also thought that if God did create as you beleive he did, then why would he link the sabbath to his creative acts? Why not instead say "I created the world and guided its developement over a long period of time, and by the way I want you to work six days and rest for one because I am God and I said so"! I could accept that. But doing one thing & telling us another, would make me highly skeptical of the whole story.

Meldinoor writes:

the creation of an evolving universe would require so much more effort


For us maybe, but for an omnipotent being, one scenario may not be any more difficult than the other.

and creativity

Yes, one scenario may require more creativity. But again, to an all knowing creator, how would it be of any consequence?

How can a timeless existence be boring in the first place?

I agree. However I do sometimes wonder whether or not I would be bored in heaven, not knowing exactly what we would be doing for all eternity(apart from praising God), as novelty for anything wears off pretty quickly for me here on earth. However we never seem to tire of sex, food, play.....

Regards Minority


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