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mark24 Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined:
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Calypsis,
The one who believes the world/universe created itself and that life assembled itself by blind natural processes even though you've never seen a single example that nature can do such a thing. You've never seen a god do it, either. That ol' special pleading fallacy again... Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5240 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
You've never seen a god do it, either. That ol' special pleading fallacy again The fallacy is yours. I have seen what God can do. So have many of my comrades.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5240 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Well, given that I explained it in my post, I would have thought you could have answered that yourself You don't know the origin of lunar regression. No one does. There was no empirical investigation and no witnesses to the origin of the moon, unless one considers Jesus Christ, co-Creator with the Father at the creation. What you and those of your persuasion refuse to acknowledge: the moon could never have been closer than the Roche limit to the earth. If the capture theory is to be taken seriously (I don't) then the moon came at least close enough to be pushed off and away from the earth at an angle that put it in orbit. Please give the readers observational evidence that such a thing could happen.
No, as the Moon recedes and the Earth's spin slows, they will eventually tidally lock. As for that's effect on life, I'm sure we'll cope. Good grief, you are living in la la land. How can one communicate with such a wishful thinker?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2977 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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He gave me the name of the scientist who documented it. I am looking for that file. I'll be patiently waiting, because I am under the assumtion that neither a file or the name of the person who 'documented it' exist.
I'm gone. Oh you're gone alright. Anyway, Calypsis, I'm totally willing to accept that Young is right. But you haven't explained why he's right and not the others. Why is there a concensus on the age of the moon (that happens to be the same as the dating of the lunar samples; all the numbers match) that is different from Youngs? Why is Young right and everyone else wrong? Again, all you did was show another model. Nothing ground breaking, new models for all sorts of things spring up from time to time. But they must hold up to scrutny, and thus far the concensus is against Young. Why do you think he's right? - Oni
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5240 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Said the person who plagiarised his opening post. You aren't telling the truth. I documented every statement. Proof:
"DF / DR represents a change in the force (DF) with respect to a change in distance (DR). That variation in force, or tidal gradient, is what produces the distortion in the shape of both Earth and the moon."(TALK ORIGINS). But I knew that did not comport with reality because the moon's recession would be changed by the inverse square law as it receded further and further from earth. But 'the force of gravity changes with the square of the distance, such that if the distance is reduced by 1/2 the force of gravity increases by a factor of four'. (CREATION/WIKI). I phoned DR. DON DEYOUNG, the head of the physics dept. at Grace College in Indiana & asked his opinion about the matter and he told me that the evolutionist formula for lunar recession as far as the age of the moon is in error. Here is why: 1. Since tidal forces are inversely proportional to the cube of the distance, the recession rate (dR/dt) is inversely proportional to the sixth power of the distance. So dR/dt = k/R^6, where k is a constant = (present speed: 0.04 m/year) x (present distance: 384,400,000 m)^6 = 1.29x1050 m^7/year. Integrating this differential equation gives the time to move from Ri to Rf as t = 1/7k(Rf^7 Ri^7). For Rf = the present distance and Ri = the Roche Limit, t = 1.37 x 10^9 years. 2. It can be restated this way: 'To compute the moon’s recession time to its present orbit, we first integrate equation (1). Over the time interval 0 to t, the moon’s distance from the earth increases from the Roche limit r0 to its present orbit at distance r:in which t is the maximum age of the earth-moon system. The present value of r is 3.844 x 10^8 m. For an object orbiting a planet, the Roche limit r0 is where R is the radius of the central body (the earth in this case); p(sub)m is the density of the central body; and m is the density of the orbiting body, in this case the moon. With R = 6.3781 x 10^6 m for the earth; p(sub)m = 5515 kg/m^3; and p(sub)m = 3340 kg/m^3, we find that r0 = 1.84 x 10^7 m. This is less than 5% of the moon’s current orbital radius. From equation (1), the proportionality constant k is the product of the sixth power of the distance r, and the current recession rate. The present value of the recession rate is 4.4 0.6 cm/yr, or (4.4 0.6) x 10^—2 m/yr. Therefore, k = 1.42 x 10^50 m^7/yr. With this value for k, the right hand side of equation 1 equals the present recession rate dr/dt, when r = the moon’s current orbital radius. From equation (2), the time for the moon to recede from r0 to r is 1.3 Ga. Without introducing tidal parameters, to be discussed below, this is the moon’s highest allowable evolutionary age.' THE ASTRONOMY BOOK BY Dr. JONATHAN HENRY. So the upper limit of the age of lunar recession for the moon in its recession from the earth is no more than 1.2 or 1.3 billion yrs ago. The Roche Limit (closest the moon could have ever been to the earth) was also taken into consideration because had the lunar body been any closer to earth than that it would have disintigrated. Actually, the earth and moon would have pulled each other apart. So the change in velocity over time is seen by this: So the velocity of lunar recession changes with the 6th power of the distance. George Darwin stated, ‘Thus, although the action [rate of lunar recession] may be insensibly slow now, it must have gone on with much greater rapidity when the moon was nearer to us.' DARWIN, G. THE TIDES, HOUGHTON MIFFLIN, BOSTON, PP. 278-286, 1898. You did not tell the truth in this matter and therefore you will be ignored.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5221 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined:
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Calypsis,
The fallacy is yours. I have seen what God can do. So have many of my comrades. Nope, the fallacy is yours, you believe absolutely in something you haven't observed & berate others for doing the same. Special pleading again... "You did not tell the truth in this matter and therefore you will be ignored." Mark Edited by mark24, : No reason given. There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3669 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined:
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You don't know the origin of lunar regression. Err, lunar regression - that thing we have been talking about - the Moon slowly spiralling outwards in its orbit - we don't know the origin of this process??? Err, hello, tidal force, tidal bulges, and all that...
no witnesses to the origin of the moon What has the origin of the Moon to do with its recession? Why are you changing topic?
If the capture theory is to be taken seriously It's not
Good grief, you are living in la la land. How can one communicate with such a wishful thinker? You can begin by admitting that your opening post was full of fallacious nonsense and has been successfully refuted. Can we at least agree that your opening post is highly erroneous and the recession of the Moon is not a problem for the stanadard geological time-scale for the Earth-Moon system?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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Shall we ignore the testimony of the hundreds of people who recorded seeing volcanic activity on the lunar surface? Maybe we should ignore Nasa? In all the years they have had telescopes and satellites watching the moon, no volcanic activity has been documented. The moon has been dormant for at least 2.5 billion years. Who am I kidding, you don't believe the people who currently study the world and universe around us, you only believe what people claim to have seen centuries ago. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Because the evil evilutionist pseudo-scientists are hiding it in their lair, "My mommy always said there were no monsters, no real ones, but there are. ..." Rebecca 'Newt' Jordan (July 27, 2179)
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onifre Member (Idle past 2977 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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I have seen what God can do. No you haven't. You've seen nothing of the sort, HOWEVER, this thread is about Young and his shitty equations. So can you deal with the topic YOU started? - Oni
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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So can you deal with the topic YOU started? That's a rhetorical question, yes? We all know this will turn into a Gish Gallop.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3669 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
"My mommy always said there were no monsters, no real ones, but there are. ..." Rebecca 'Newt' Jordan (July 27, 2179) "We better get inside - they mostly come out at night... mostly" Rebecca 'Newt' Jordan (July 26, 2179)
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5240 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
While evolutionists insist that the moon is 'dead' to volcanic activity the question arises: "why is this not true of other lunar satellites like Io of Jupiter?"
Io is the most active moon in the solar system.
This stunning photo reveals a huge plummage of an active volcano on Io. Since Jupiter is believed to be about the same age as the earth (4.5 billion yrs) AMAZING SPACE ...why then do we see active volcanic activity on Io? Don't the same rules apply?
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3669 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined:
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..why then do we see active volcanic activity on Io? Don't the same rules apply? Of course not - given Io's proximity, Jupiter exerts massive tidal forces on it that tear its interior to pulp - hence volcanism. Next?
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5240 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
No you haven't. You've seen nothing of the sort Oh, but I have and I have many witnesses. I even recorded some of it. But this is off topic. Care to get back on?
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