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ramoss
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Message 123 of 315 (476405)
07-23-2008 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Coragyps
07-20-2008 8:49 AM


Re: In the beginning...
And you must admit, has the property of 'special pleading' in it.

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Message 184 of 315 (477225)
07-31-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Beretta
07-31-2008 3:20 AM


Re: The Creationist ID Dilema Relative To Science
I have yet to see an ID proponent based on 'logic alone'. If you can point me out one whose position is not strongly influenced by their religious beliefs, please point them out, and the essays/articles they wrote on it.

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ramoss
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Message 185 of 315 (477226)
07-31-2008 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Beretta
07-31-2008 7:43 AM


Re: The Creationist ID Dilema Relative To Science
How is evidence 'against evolution' (which , btw, you have not provided, but merely asserted), evidence FOR 'Intelligent Design'? This asserstion is the logical fallacy of a false dichotomy

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ramoss
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Message 194 of 315 (477239)
07-31-2008 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by Beretta
07-31-2008 9:47 AM


Re: The Creationist ID Dilema Relative To Science
Michael Denton appears to no longer support I.D. and has asked his name to be removed from the Discovery institute web site.
As for David Berlinski, while skeptical about evolution, he does not openly say anything in support of I.D. either. He, however, is a mathemtician, not a biologist.
A quote about him is as follows
quote:
Berlinski's radical and often wrong-headed skepticism represents an ascendant style in the popular debate over American science: Like the recent crop of global-warming skeptics, AIDS denialists, and biotech activists, Berlinski uses doubt as a weapon against the academy”he's more concerned with what we don't know than what we do. He uses uncertainty to challenge the scientific consensus; he points to the evidence that isn't there and seeks out the things that can't be proved. In its extreme and ideological form, this contrarian approach to science can turn into a form of paranoia”a state of permanent suspicion and outrage. But Berlinski is hardly a victim of the style. He's merely its most methodical practitioner.
From Wiki 'Berslinski shares the movement's disbelief in the evidence for evolution, but does not openly avow intelligent design and describes his relationship with the idea as: "warm but distant. It's the same attitude that I display in public toward my ex-wives."

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Message 302 of 315 (477986)
08-10-2008 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Beretta
08-09-2008 9:33 AM


Re: Detection of Intelligence
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Who organized the genetic code? It is a code, therefore requires an intelligence to organize amongst millions of potential choices -it is not a purely chemical arrangement that transfers coded messages from one part of a cell to another to make specific arrangements of amino acids into proteins that fold into specific shapes that do specific jobs that coordinate functions that work together to achieve a purpose.
Who organized the message?? Only intelligence can put together a code.
Why do you think the genetic 'code' is actually a code, and not merely complex chemestry?
What evidence do you have with the assertion that 'only intelligence can put togather a code'? How do you demonstrate this ?

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