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Straggler
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Message 65 of 315 (475230)
07-14-2008 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Beretta
07-14-2008 8:10 AM


Re: Design vs Evolution
Well design seems to be something that requires intelligence to produce it.It can't have a repetitive formula otherwise it could have been produced due to a natural law.
For example if Macbeth had to be converted into a formula, the formula would be as long as the play - there's no simple reduction formula possible.
Not of the whole. No. But you are ignoring the non-random component of selection that can be applied to gradual change.
For example the words on a scrabble game. If you mess the words up, you have destroyed the information but not the carrier of the information because the information component, the words, are not dependant apon the plastic or whatever the board and letters are made up of
If we randomly place all the letters on a scrabble board with no plan or design present we are extremely unlikely to produce the structured result of a completed game of scrabble. We would have to do this an impossible number of times to ever stand any chance of achieving an end result that replicated genuine design of the whole purely by chance. This is absolutely true.
However if we repeatedly randomly place the letters on a scrabble board but each time leave in place any words that are formed purely by chance......then what? Eventually we will have a board full of complete words. We will in effect end up with the appearance of design!!
If we 'select' for the 'attribute' of completed words such that completed words 'survive' then the appearance of design soon follows. No actual design takes place. Just selection.
In fact this analogy does not even go far enough because in the case of natural selection the 'words' that 'survive' would be the ones that go on to produce the next combination of letters. So the process would be even less random than the word example above.
The point is that if selection is thrown into the mix then the appearance of design naturally follows and the probability of apparent design being produced, given enough time and enough 'generations' is relatively high.
Can you not see that this is evidently true?
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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