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Author Topic:   Spotting Beretta's "designer" {Now only 1 summation message per member}
rueh
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Message 42 of 315 (473833)
07-03-2008 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by ikabod
07-03-2008 3:41 AM


Looking in the wrong places
Personaly I believe if IDists want to find a label for their designer the process of evolution is the wrong place. Lets make the assumption that the "designer" has at least as much intelligence as we humans. In this case he/she/it would know of the mechanics of evolution and would use this natural ability to complete the work. Where they should focus their study is on how to "make" life in the first place. The origin of life will more likely prove how the designer did it, rather than how life advanced once it was already established. The problem lies in the assumption that we humans are as advanced as it gets, or the purpose of life in the first place. Ex: If we humans reach a point where we can seed the galaxy with DNA through the use of atonomus robots, than the very minimum for a designer is something at least as intelligent as ourselves.

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rueh
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Message 44 of 315 (473889)
07-03-2008 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Blue Jay
07-03-2008 12:21 PM


Re: Looking in the wrong places
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In a sense, every new major life-form ("baramin," as they like to say) that arises is another act of Creation, not a deep divergence in the tree of life.
That thought process is majorly flawed however. They treat every fossil you find as entirely new with no thought as to what precided it or what came after it. It's basicaly like looking at a pile of grain and watching mice come out of the grain. Than by that observation concluding that every mouse was created new and whole from the grain. Where as we clearly can see they were there as a product of circumstance.
What I am trying to express is that you must first understand the process to make DNA from scratch, a process that currently aludes us but we may be able to understand as our technology and intellect develops. Once you understand how to create life where none existed before, or how to transplant life to a lifeless enviroment. Then and only then will we be able to see what is necesarry for a designer of life. Even if that designer is ourselves.

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rueh
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Message 50 of 315 (474717)
07-10-2008 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by RickJB
07-07-2008 4:17 AM


Re: Calling Beretta!
Man you can just hear the crickets screaming when IDist and creationist are asked to do anything other than pick apart pieces of evolution they don't like.

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rueh
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Message 52 of 315 (474736)
07-10-2008 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by RickJB
07-10-2008 12:02 PM


Re: Calling Beretta!
Kind of sucks, cause I really like the idea of there being more to the Universe than we can see. I know that in physics this is literally true, however I would like there to be that agent behind it all. I can only hope that as we advance and fill in our gaps in theory and in technology that greater and greater complexity may be derived. I would love a universe or multiverse that becomes fractal in nature where we can feel as much a part of it as it is to us. I know that I am usually one to speak out against preconceived notions of god and that my own desire than becomes somewhat hypocritical. But I can't help it I just really don't believe that the religions we have now are anywhere close to being intelligent or technologically advanced enough to make any claims with certainty about a true nature of god and therefore his workings and that for now, science is the way to further our knowledge of the working of our universe. Hopefully as in generations past, as our worldview changed from earth centered to heliocentered the culture changed to adapt those discoveries into their religion. We to can change, as our understandings of physics change from Newtonian to quantum to GUT. And that we may someday have that knowledge that we seem to lack now that smooth’s the transition of science and religion. Ah some much for pipe dreams.

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rueh
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Message 54 of 315 (474743)
07-10-2008 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by RickJB
07-10-2008 12:39 PM


Re: Calling Beretta!
Oh yeah read that one. Right now I am reading Physics of Immortality by Tipler. Alot of the same ideas. He actualy does a pretty good job at identifying what the designer would need, (so long as you can suspend disbelief in a couple of areas) through the Omega point theroy. I would play devils advocate and use some of his examples for this thread however I just started it and don't believe I could give the concepts their due in time to meanigly contribute their implications to this thread.

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