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Author Topic:   What Benefits Are Only Available Through God?
Theodoric
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Message 183 of 438 (853302)
05-25-2019 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Phat
05-25-2019 9:06 AM


Re: Choose This Day Whom You Want In Authority
o any others who wish to defend this right to reduce Faith & Belief to a relativistic position, fuck you too! I'll leave this forum in a heartbeat. I don't need any shit from anyone here regarding the inerrancy and authority of scripture. If you don't like it, one of us will go. And I'll let God decide who.

Buh-bye. Amazing how people react when they feel their beliefs are attacked. Now maybe you have a little feeling of how atheists feel listening to your claptrap.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 184 of 438 (853303)
05-25-2019 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Phat
05-25-2019 9:18 AM


Re: a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
Yes, everyone...Phat is having a meltdown this morning...don't ask me why. Something about what Celestial Gourd says strikes a raw nerve in me.

Tough shit. Your beliefs are no more special or important than his. You are acting exactly as us nonbelievers expect you to act. You are no different than Faith. Faith just doesn't care at all what people think.

If our pagan liberal government ever allowed you people equal time with the genuine preachers, we would know that the end was near. At that point, I would be in favor of shutting all of us up publically

Try it you right wing religious fascist.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 189 of 438 (853309)
05-25-2019 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Phat
05-25-2019 2:44 PM


Re: a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
I am not having a melt down. Crap like what you post I deal with every day. Every day I hear it from you self righteous, holier than thou christians. I just find it funny that you think people should care because you get your undies in a wad when you feel your beliefs are attacked. Welcome to the world of every atheist, everywhere.

For the record, I am more of a moderate than I am right wing. And I hardly think of myself as a fascist.

Your latest posts show that this is not true. You may think you are a moderate but you are a right wing entitled white christian.

You just get your panties in a bunch at the very idea of any God having any veto power over your precious free will.

You have no idea how stupid that sounds do you? I have no belief in a God or a god. None. Therefore this thing you attribute to me can not be true.
Stop now, you are just embarrassing yourself.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 191 of 438 (853311)
05-25-2019 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Phat
05-25-2019 3:30 PM


Re: a god made the folking deal: your belief in exchange for a ransom paid to himself
If a god does not exist, a god does not exist regardless of what you believe.
Did you see what I just did?
If you want to continue to embarrass yourself go right ahead. There is no god, never was, never will be. If there were there would be evidence and the laws of science would not stand.
Jesus Christ is a myth. If he wasn't there would be actual contemporary, corroborated evidence for him. As there is no more for him then William Tell, they exist in the same sphere of myth.
I thought you were leaving.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 239 of 438 (853402)
05-27-2019 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by foreveryoung
05-26-2019 10:31 PM


All praise Her Noodliness
Of course not. Her Noodlieness, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, is all powerful and existing outside of time and space. If you do not think so, then prove me wrong.
As a Pastafarian Minister and Theologian I know what I am talking about.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 263 of 438 (853451)
05-27-2019 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by foreveryoung
05-27-2019 12:09 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
Uhh, no you didn't.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 264 of 438 (853452)
05-27-2019 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by DrJones*
05-27-2019 2:15 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
And he probably ate a bad burrito.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 278 of 438 (853516)
05-28-2019 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Phat
05-28-2019 11:43 AM


Re: God is all powerful and outside time and space
She is using the ideas in the book to support the contention that the book makes sense.

We could make the same argument for Treasure Island or Harry Potter. Unless you have independent corroborating evidence you have no evidence. A thing can not be used to corroborate itself.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 286 of 438 (853543)
05-28-2019 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Faith
05-28-2019 3:42 PM


Re: All praise Her Noodliness
But the Bible is full of history and geography and that does give it authenticity

No it isn't. Examples please. The Gospels also get a bit of the geography wrong. The old testament is fables and myths no geography or history at all.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 288 of 438 (853547)
05-28-2019 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Faith
05-28-2019 4:35 PM


Those are names. They are not geography or history. Geography would be discussing how they relate to each other. History would be mentioning actual historical facts that can be corroborated.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 365 of 438 (853966)
06-03-2019 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by GDR
06-01-2019 10:30 PM


The slippery slope argument is a logically fallacious argument, Either provide evidence to back up a reason to think A leads to B or the argument is invalid.
Your abortion comment completely destroys your argument. The rate of abortion per 1000 births is at its lowest level since Roe v. Wade. Data is an amazing thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/..._statistics_in_the_United_States
Your infanticide comment also shows your utter lack of seriousness on the subject. He is one person and what he said was unclear and inartful, but he did not advocate for infanticide.
https://www.snopes.com/...eck/trump-northam-abortion-execute

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 374 of 438 (854017)
06-04-2019 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 373 by Tangle
06-03-2019 6:08 PM


This banter back and forth with GDR has exposed one of the biggest issues with religion in general and Christianity in particular. Anyone can come up with any interpretation of a god that fits with their particular needs and desires. Internally inconsistent and cognitively dissonant ideas and arguments, full of gobbledygook, are used in place of reasoned rational discourse to support their beliefs.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 378 of 438 (854066)
06-04-2019 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Phat
06-04-2019 2:40 PM


Tell us who the author of the gospel of John is. Who is this person we should believe blindly? Who is this person whose gospel contradicts other gospels?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 384 of 438 (854125)
06-04-2019 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by Tangle
06-04-2019 4:39 PM


I strongly dislike missionaries
I think missionaries have been and continue to be the some of the most destructive people in the history of mankind.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 397 of 438 (854219)
06-05-2019 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by Tangle
06-05-2019 5:28 PM


I'm sure you'll recover your mental balance soon

Doubt it. Phat has had is moments of fervor in the past. This is different. He drank the kool aid. I think you hit the nail on the head. He wants to be a martyr.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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