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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Since you call FY dishonest you need to be answered. God is all powerful:
God is outside time and space:
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Being Himself outside time and space does not mean God cannot operate WITHIN time and space. The whole Bible is a testimony to the fact that He does indeed operate in our dimension while nevertheless being Himself outside all of it.
God's Word gives us many accounts of His actions in time and space for the sake of our limited understanding, but we cannot put one part of the Bible in contradiction with another part of it: as long as the accounts exist that speak of His own nature as omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent we know that His interactions in our dimension are given for our sake and not as a definition of His nature. It's God Himself you are accusing of being a "con man," because you fail to read the Bible as a whole in which every part modifies every other part. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not according to the Bible itself, as held by traditionalists. God authored the Bible by inspiring His chosen men to do the work of putting it to paper under the leading of the Holy Spirit:
("prophecy" is another word for messages given by God)
The Bible is considered by traditionalists today to be a single whole, composed of 66 separate writings, 39 Old Testament and 27 New Testament, all inspired by God and therefore inerrant in their original form, and all consistent with each other, all telling the same story in different ways over the centuries. Some writings were rejected over the centuries as not inspired by God though they may be honored as consistent with the revelation.
It is considered a whole by us traditionalists and treated as a whole in our interpretations of it, always regarding every part as modifying and being modified by every other part. Your view is a very unintelligent revision that only misleads you.
And of course we inerrantists return the compliment. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm not using it as evidence. I'm pointing out how traditionalists understand it, as a whole in which all the parts fit together and modify each other, and this is demonstrated by Peter's explanation of how messages from God were given "in old time" -- through the Holy Spirit. And this view of it contrasts with jar's view which fragments it into separate books and gives a different length for them which I assume is according to different canons which were developed down the centuries. So in contrast I'm describing how today's traditionalists see it and you can take it or leave it as you are persuaded. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I said, there is jar's view and my view, as far as this forum goes, and you may agree with either of us or neither of us. There is nothing more to say.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Bible speaks of actual real places, so therefore you conclude:
as if he'd said the Bible speaks of ALL actual real places, and you think that's an intelligent remark? It's unbelievably stoopid and as so many such comments are here, time-wasting. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah it went over my head too. The leprechaun llne is just too silly. But the Bible is full of history and geography and that does give it authenticity whether you llke it or not which of course you don't because llke most others here you have to destroy Christianity. Which will destroy western civilization too, but that's OK as well I guess.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Egypt, Ethiopia, Libya (Cush), Canaan, Dead Sea, Red Sea, Tigris and Euphrates, Lebanon, Assyria, Syria, Babylonia, Persia, just a few off the top of my head, and many more under biblical names; Artaxerxes, Nebuchadnezzar, Greece,Rome, Asia Minor, Spain (has a biblical name; it'll come to me), Cyprus, Pilate, Caesar Augustus, Tiberius etc etc etc,
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Both the historical and the geographical references are used in the Bible to point to BIBLICAL events, to place them in real time in real places, not secular historical events. That is, the mention of Augustus or Tiberius pins down the time of an event in the llfe of Jesus or the new Church. And the geographical references of course identify the fact that these things occurred in the real world we all know.
Christianity did occur in the real world and these facts are markers. This is not true of other religions which are mostly books of instruction in how to llve your llfe. They don't bother about time and place because they have no reason to. But the Bible is all about time and place, it's about real people God chose to carry Him to the rest of us, and it's particularly about Jesus Christ who is God Himself born as a human being in a particular time in a particular place so that He could llve for us and die for us as our Savior from sin. You really don't need to bother to answer because you would only trash these simple facts, completely ignore the point and argue that if the terms aren't used to refer to events described in secular histories, forget it. Even the succession of the empires pointed to in the book of Daniel merely points to their succession. It's a historical fact but you will want something else, because you're a Christianity basher and won't appreciate that the mere reference to these historical and geographical facts authenticates the Bible. Perhaps there are some intelligent people here who will, but I won't hold my breath. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Where on earth is that piece of hogwash written? The Bible does not indulge in such ridiculous tales, it's all grounded in known history in known places and it doesn't make use of mythical creatures. Sheesh. And it's still true: most of Islam is instruction, and any references to time and place are just puff, with no intrinsic value.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Benefits? Eternal llfe isn't enough?
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually there are huge differences between religions, certainly between biblical religion and the rest of them, but you prefer to pretend there aren't.
The OP allows for lack of evidence, and the only evidence possible for the gift of eternal llfe is the testimony of Jesus. Jesus said He came to give us eternal llfe. You don't have to believe Him but that's the benefit He offers us. Take it or leave it. The main focus of the OP is benefits in THIS llfe, however, and I believe there are many but again there wouldn't be any evidence. Answered prayer is a very exciting benefit for instance. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Mea culpa. Let me correct my statement then to say that the Bible's historical and geographical references are NOT MERELY CIRCUMSTANTIAL AS CLEARLY IS THE CASE WITH ISLAM, THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE AUTHENTICATION OF THE REVELATION. You'll argue that too, no doubt, because there is no utterly specious silly argument that doesn't get used against Christians or conservatives at EvC.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Flood has in fact been proven to explain most of the geological record.
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Faith ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 716 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It simply isn't possible for one to have chosen the one true religion, according to you. Not sure why not. Seems to be just a personal prejudice. Cuz Christianity IS the one true religion, and that's why I chose it. Probably FY too. Others may say the same about other religions but I don't think it's true, I think other religions are chosen because they appeal to something in the personality. Truth isn't the main thing.
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