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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Very.
quote: The Q is more important than the A. This is what should be monitored; if it not, one can conclude answering it is ok.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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Hello IamJoseph,
If you're not going to constructively contribute to discussion of this thread's topic then please stop participating here. Thanks.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
The most constuctive factor is the text. I pointed out the relevant textual reference which affirms my position; the others shamelessly left this out. Hello?
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7
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The Bible is not the topic here. Please stop posting to this thread.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Looks like I made a great error. This opening statement by the thread's author mislead me:
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
I agree that it would be a mistake to take the originator's opening self characterization as a statement of the thread's topic. His second sentence and the subsequent presentation of evidence is why this was promoted as a science thread:
Calypsis4 writes: I intend to bring forth extensive evidence that the world was once entirely destroyed by that great catclysm and that that event accounts for the multiplied billions of fossils in the earth. If you would like to discuss evidence for the flood then please proceed, by all means. But let me add that you are exhausting moderator patience. The science forums are for science. I know you want to discuss the Bible, but that's what the religious threads are for. The moderator team has been very clear about this with you, over and over again. You can use the Bible as the source of inspiration for all your ideas, but if you want to discuss those ideas in the science forums then you must support them with evidence, not Bible discussion.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Looks like I made a great error. This opening statement by the thread's author mislead me: To clarify Admin's point, what we are looking for in this thread is evidence that would lead to the conclusion that there was a recent global flood. IOW, if the flood did happen then someone should be able to follow the evidence to this conclusion without needing to read one word of the Bible. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Agreed with such a premise. After all, the Hebrew writings, as opposed the NT and Quran, happens to be the most credible writings humanity possesses, making it news #1 to dislodge any minutae error - this is human nature in all things. However, your error, like of all others here apparently, is your use of the word 'IOW' and 'GLOBAL':
quote:Why did you omit the term 'GLOBAL' above? There is no credibility in omitting fulcrum criteria of a text. Apples and oranges apply! Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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rueh Member (Idle past 3692 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
In many posts throughout this forum it has been suggested that if the Noachian flood was worldwide we should see genetic bottlenecks in all the species worldwide. It has also been suggested that the flood presented in Genesis represents a local flood, so therefore the lack of a bottleneck present in all species does not falsify the idea of a local flood. My question is would a local flood also leave a genetic marker of a bottleneck for the species within the locally defined area? If so, is this what we actually see when we compare the genetic signatures of animals indigenous to the area? Obviously I think we would have to consider just how local of a flood we are talking about. What is our minimum threshold where we should see some sort of marker contained within various species genetics?
'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat' The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX Opening your mind to imagination shouldn't close it to reality. It takes all kinds to make a mess- Benjamin Hoff
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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If the populations were actually reduced to the size listed in the stories, it's doubtful that any of those would survive and they would simply become subsumed into similar species that moved in after the event.
We know though that if it was a local even we can with very high confidence make a few conclusions. That critters living today are unlikely to be descended from any of the critters in the stories.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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rueh Member (Idle past 3692 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
Makes sense, after all as soon as one rabbit gets eaten then it is goodbye for all the rabbits in that area. The same would be true for any prey species. Once all the prey is gone then it is goodbye for the predators as well. Is there any way to analyze if this is in fact the case from a genetic stand point? Is there any animal species that are exclusive to the area where a local flood could have occurred? If so, then is there any way to tell if they were there pre-flood? Or if they were transplants from post flood populations? Simply moving in to populate an uninhabited area.
Edited by rueh, : spelling'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat' The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX Opening your mind to imagination shouldn't close it to reality. It takes all kinds to make a mess- Benjamin Hoff
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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Wouldn't these be the types of experiments we should expect from proponents of the flood? Would not a good experiment make where they test known/recent floods for changes in animals? For example: you could study biodiversity pre and post Hurricane Katrina and see if there is significant change in animal poulation in the afflicted area.*
*note: I'm not a scientist so my study as written is very poor, but hopefully got the point across."Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sure there are literally thousands if not millions of such examples.
The issue is even if such evidence could be found that would not support the accounts in the stories. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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rueh Member (Idle past 3692 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
hooah writes: What? Why in the world would they need to conduct any experiments? They already know what the answer is gonna be. Wouldn't these be the types of experiments we should expect from proponents of the flood?'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat' The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX Opening your mind to imagination shouldn't close it to reality. It takes all kinds to make a mess- Benjamin Hoff
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Yes, and I agree. However, the scenario I painted was the one where the flood propontist was an honest individual.
"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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