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NoNukes
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Message 33 of 39 (673592)
09-20-2012 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by ringo
09-20-2012 11:58 AM


Re: Contextualising the bump
But what I find ironic is that they don't even need to mangle Mark 10. "A rich man can't get into heaven," could easily be interpreted as, "You can't take it with you."

I've read this passage several times today, and I have to say that I find your reading quite a stretch. I would expect that the passage would have to be mangled to lead to your interpretation. Verses 17and forward are about a man declining the opportunity to give up his money and to follow Jesus while the man was still alive. If instead, the passage is about the inevitable separation of a man from his family and personal affects by death, then Jesus words utterly fail as an admonishment.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 35 of 39 (673611)
09-20-2012 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by ringo
09-20-2012 2:16 PM


Re: Contextualising the bump
I think the point of the story is that you're going to lose it anyway

Suum cuique, I guess.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 39 of 39 (673801)
09-23-2012 10:20 AM


Conservapedia hosts a "Talk" page for discussion of their Conservapedia Bible Project. The page mostly consists of skepticism and criticism for the projects efforts. There are lots of replies to the critics by Andy Schlafly himself. The replies are very interesting and give a peek into the mind of a wing-nut's wing-nut.

Here is one example:

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." What is wrong with this? As a believer in Biblical inerrancy I do not see why you would change the Bible to meet with "conservative thought patterns". What is the reason for removing this

Reply by Andy Schlafly:

quote:
The doctrine of Biblical inerrancy does not resolve the issue of a few passages of doubtful authenticity. Your quoted passage has heavy liberal overtones, suggesting it is suspect. Scholarly analysis independently confirms that it is not authentic.

What are the liberal overtones? First, note how often the media, movies, books and liberals love to quote that passage rather than other passages given far greater emphasis. The quoted phrase is false: many of Jesus's persecutors knew what they were doing. The quoted passage contradicts many other statements and facts about Jesus. Jesus did not forgive sins without repentance, but liberals like to pretend falsely that repentance is not necessary. Let's not be misled, and let's not mislead others.


When it is pointed out that there are similar sentiments elsewhere in the Bible, such as in Luke 12:10, Andy responds thusly:

quote:
LK, perhaps you've been misled by liberals. Jesus talked more about Hell than about Heaven. Repentance is a prerequisite to forgiveness. The Bible is crystal clear about this.

Andy's most common response to criticism is to call the source a liberal, and to dismiss the source as wrong or insincere.

Of course I was then curious about what had been done with Luke 12:10. So here is the new text (not translated by Andy):

quote:
And whoever speaks against the Son of man, they shall be forgiven for it: but to those who commit blasphemy against the Divine Guide, that shall not be forgiven.

For some reason the term "Holy Ghost" is replaced by "Divine Guide". I'm sure there is a story behind that.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


  
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