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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
caffeine writes:
I wouldn't even disagree with that. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason the state needs to help the poor is because Christians have failed to do it. From the conservative viewpoint, the justification is quite simple. Jesus' words about giving away wealth and helping the poor are an exhortation to personal charity, but don't justify using the power of the state to enforce such behaviour. But what I find ironic is that they don't even need to mangle Mark 10. "A rich man can't get into heaven," could easily be interpreted as, "You can't take it with you." It doesn't necessarily mean that Donald Trump can't get to heaven but if he does he'll be living next door to the homeless guy who froze to death in the alley behind Trump Towers. It could just mean that everybody is equal in heaven - but maybe they don't like that idea either.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But what I find ironic is that they don't even need to mangle Mark 10. "A rich man can't get into heaven," could easily be interpreted as, "You can't take it with you." I've read this passage several times today, and I have to say that I find your reading quite a stretch. I would expect that the passage would have to be mangled to lead to your interpretation. Verses 17and forward are about a man declining the opportunity to give up his money and to follow Jesus while the man was still alive. If instead, the passage is about the inevitable separation of a man from his family and personal affects by death, then Jesus words utterly fail as an admonishment. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
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ringo Member (Idle past 661 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I think the point of the story is that you're going to lose it anyway so you might as well make good use of it here on earth - good use meaning giving to the poor. It echoes the story of the woman who gave two mites while the rich men gave bags and bags of gold. "Enough" is relative so it's better to be liberal. I've read this passage several times today, and I have to say that I find your reading quite a stretch. Edited by ringo, : Spling.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I think the point of the story is that you're going to lose it anyway Suum cuique, I guess.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw
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driewerf Junior Member Posts: 29 Joined: |
quote: In the very early 20st century there was here in Belgium a priest Deans who was campainging for better living conditions for the proletariat and the poor. He could be described as socialist. A very conservative spokesman, Karel Woeste once answered him. "My dear priest, we need the poor how else can we exercsise our christian duty of charity?" Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix quote box - Need a "/", not a "\".
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Err.
As I understand, most conservative/fundamenalist/evangelical overwhelmingly endorse the King James Version of the Bible. Here is an NPR report on that matter (Hallelujah! At Age 400, King James Bible Still Reigns (18 Apr 2011):
quote:Re-interpreting the Bible to fit one's own political ideology is nothing new! That's how we got the King James Authorized Version!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Re-interpreting the Bible to fit one's own political ideology is nothing new! That's how we got the King James Authorized Version!
Which is based on a flawed translation from Greek.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Conservapedia hosts a "Talk" page for discussion of their Conservapedia Bible Project. The page mostly consists of skepticism and criticism for the projects efforts. There are lots of replies to the critics by Andy Schlafly himself. The replies are very interesting and give a peek into the mind of a wing-nut's wing-nut.
Here is one example:
"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." What is wrong with this? As a believer in Biblical inerrancy I do not see why you would change the Bible to meet with "conservative thought patterns". What is the reason for removing this Reply by Andy Schlafly:
quote: When it is pointed out that there are similar sentiments elsewhere in the Bible, such as in Luke 12:10, Andy responds thusly:
quote: Andy's most common response to criticism is to call the source a liberal, and to dismiss the source as wrong or insincere. Of course I was then curious about what had been done with Luke 12:10. So here is the new text (not translated by Andy):
quote: For some reason the term "Holy Ghost" is replaced by "Divine Guide". I'm sure there is a story behind that. {Note: Message 40 was spam and was deleted. - Adminnemooseus} Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Note.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass |
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