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Coyote
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Message 54 of 123 (531043)
10-15-2009 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Pauline
10-15-2009 9:11 PM


Back to the beginning...
And if our dialogue is a hindrance for others who are interested in responding to my post, I would much rather not further it, unless you are ready to give me atleast a few obective statements that pertain to my illustration.
No hindrance here. I'll provide an objective statement for you to consider.
There is currently no empirical evidence for deities, whether it be Old Man Coyote, Thor, or any others. There is a lot of belief, but no empirical evidence.
Now, you may not agree. If that's the case it would be a good start to provide empirical evidence for the existence of deities before attributing various characteristics, attributes, and accomplishments to one or more of them.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 56 of 123 (531045)
10-15-2009 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Pauline
10-15-2009 9:43 PM


Re: Back to the beginning...
In response to Coyote,
I'm going to withhold my answer to your question until I get more replies to the post that demonstrated my argument since I haven't received objective ones yet, and yours is great, but its a different topic.
OK.
And welcome to the madhouse!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 85 of 123 (532033)
10-20-2009 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Capt Stormfield
10-20-2009 8:18 PM


Turning the question around
okay, here's the perfect question to ask you: Do you have evidence for the natural development of the process of action potential? A step by step process *involving mutations*.
Do you mean is there evidence this year? Or a thousand years ago? Or might there be 150 years from now?
We can turn the question around:
Do you have evidence for the natural development of [anything]...?
We have a vast amount of evidence for the natural world and how it works.
But so far we have no empirical evidence for the supernatural. We have a lot of religious belief, but no empirical evidence. We have some 4,000 world religions and some 38,000 sects or denominations of Christianity alone. There doesn't seem to be any empirical evidence to discern which, if any, of the various beliefs might be correct. That's a pretty silly way to run a railroad, eh?
It would seem that if one would argue that the "supernatural" did thus and such, one would first have to provide some evidence that the supernatural even exists.
If you can offer such evidence, then we can begin to determine the characteristics and preferences of that supernatural.
Until then, it is a religious belief and should not be confused with something for which there is empirical evidence.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 92 of 123 (532200)
10-21-2009 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Pauline
10-21-2009 9:18 PM


Re: Sir Darwin's excellent response: I don't know!!!
What does he expect his readers to do? Each form their own idea of how life began??
So what if he does?
Does that change one thing in the details of his theory of how life changed since its origin?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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