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Topic: Does complexity require intelligent design?
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Re: Ok, never say never...
There is no evidence of a mutation causing perfect eyesight or super strength. How soon they forget. Obviously you missed the story from last year about the boy with muscular hypertrophy which was traced to a mutation in the Myostatin gene. Similar mutations are found in mice ( McPherron,1997(1)) and cattle ( McPherron, 1997(2)). These mutations make the individuals which have them 'super strong'. The researchers note...
The child’s motor and mental development has been normal. Now, at 4.5 years of age, he continues to have increased muscle bulk and strength, and he is able to hold two 3-kg dumbbells in horizontal suspension with his arms extended. So there you go. TTFN, WK This message has been edited by Wounded King, 04-05-2005 04:06 AM
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Message 188 of 229 (197154)
04-06-2005 2:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 182 by crashfrog
04-05-2005 10:13 PM
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Re: triple jumps in logic
I think that in a thread discussing ID the term 'plagiarised' adds an unneccessary note of anthropomoprhism to the processes of evolution. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Re: triple jumps in logic
You may be right, I may just have never come across it personally. A quick scan of google and Pubmed haven't shown anything, but that is hardly conclusive. Is there a particular context in which you are familiar with its use? TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Re: triple jumps in logic
I think that you are taking your analysis to a somewhat more abstruse level than what Crash and I were discussing. Certainly if one thinks of mutations as mistakes, in spelling for instance, then there is a clear analogy between tracing the plagiarism of a text from mistakes common to the original and the copy, but this is still an analogy and not a technical description of the comparison of 2 genetic sequences. TTFN, WK *added by edit* there is a FAQ at TalkOrigins which discusses this analogy in some detail. This message has been edited by Wounded King, 04-06-2005 10:33 AM
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Re: Super baby?.
Hardly what I would call super Well thats a subjective matter, it seems pretty significantly stronger than normal to me.
Whether or not it is advantageous remains to be seen. When he passes this trait on, if it doesn't adversely affect his reproductive ability, we will see. It's a little early to be citing this as an example of random beneficial mutations. True but irrelevant, I wasn't citing it as an example of a random beneficial mutation. I was citing it as an example of a mutation conferring 'super strength' which was what you asked for, you are the one assuming that 'super strength' will be a beneficial trait. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Re: information from non-intelligent sources
There certainly are examples of beneficial gene duplications, I assume you are looking for experimental examples and discounting all the hundreds of papers which present the genetic evidence for gene duplications during evolution. Here is an old experimental paper to start you off.
Gene duplication as a mechanism of genetic adaptation in Saccharomyces cerevisiae.Genetics. 1975 Apr;79(4):661-74. Hansche PE. It has been shown that specific mutations of the gene that codes for the general acid monophophatase (Aphtase) of S. cerevisiae can increase the affinity of this enzyme for beta-glycerophosphate (BGP) and thereby provide this organism with the capacity to exploit extremely low concentrations of this organic phosphate (Francis and Hansche 1973). In this report two additional avenues are demonstrated to be available to this organism for increasing its capacity to exploit low concentrations of organic phosphates. One avenue is through mutations that increase the amount of Aphtase that associates with the cell wall, where it catalizes the hydrolysis of exogenous organic phosphates. The other avenue is through duplication of the gene that codes for Aphtase, doubling the amount of Aphtase synthesized.--The spontaneous duplication of the structural gene of Aphtase and the incorporation of the duplicate into this experimental population as a means of exploiting low concentrations of exogenous organic phosphates provides direct support for the first step of the mechanism through which new metabolic functions are postulated to evolve. TTFN, WK
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Wounded King
Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: 04-09-2003
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Re: science
Is that really the definition in your copy of Webster's? Which edition is it from? The online version of Webster's gives the following definition.
Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary writes: Main Entry: information Pronunciation: "in-f&r-'mA-sh&n Function: noun 1 : the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence 2 a (1) : knowledge obtained from investigation, study, or instruction (2) : INTELLIGENCE, NEWS (3) : FACTS, DATA b : the attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects c (1) : a signal or character (as in a communication system or computer) representing data (2) : something (as a message, experimental data, or a picture) which justifies change in a construct (as a plan or theory) that represents physical or mental experience or another construct d : a quantitative measure of the content of information; specifically : a numerical quantity that measures the uncertainty in the outcome of an experiment to be performed... I can see that definition 2b is related to your definition, but it is substantially different. TTFN, WK
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