design evidence #320,098,754: the crossover food and air tubes in humans

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So are you saying that it is, in fact, a well designed feature
or that God cannot take criticism?

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"Destruction is certain for those who argue with their Creator. Does a clay pot ever argue with its maker? Does the clay dispute with the one who shapes it, saying, `Stop, you are doing it wrong!' Does the pot exclaim, `How clumsy can you be!"
Isa 45:9You may critique God's design all you want, but just remember your "wisdom", compared with HIS, is even lower than folly.Regards,
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"You can no more alter God than a pebble can alter the rhythm of the Pacific."

No offense, sonnike, but threatening people with fairy tales is kinda sad and makes for a profoundly unconvincing argument.------------------
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No offense, sonnike, but threatening people with fairy tales is kinda sad and makes for a profoundly unconvincing argument.

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You mean like microbe to man fairytales?
Fish to philosopher fairytales?Regards,
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"You can no more alter God than a pebble can alter the rhythm of the Pacific."

What has criticising God's designs got to do with arguing with him?
Have you ever seen a poorly thrown pot?Isn't the poor design evident in human bodies (given a
creationist worldview) ample evidence that god is just
as error prone as the pinnacle of his creation (i.e. man)
and therefore the level of his wisdom is questionable?Given that many humans can present better design options
than are actually seen in nature (for some features at least)
isn't it better for believers to accept a theistic evolution
in which god placed the pieces and let them develop according to
his rules?The alternative being to accept an imperfect god.

HACK AK AK AK AK!!!...excuse me, I was just sipping a beverage when I accidentally inhaled a little, and a little of said beverage went down into my lungs.That sure does happen a lot considering how perfectly my Creator designed me.I'd better watch it or I will be late to go pick up my orthopaedic insoles. I find they really help with my lower back pain. So many of us seem to have that lower back pain, too. I read something about our spinal discs not being adequate for being upright, but that sounds all wrong. God must want millions of us to be in traction for a Divine Purpose.Later I'll run and pick up my knee brace from the doctor; I twisted it just a tiny bit while running, but it got injured really easily. Funny how knee injuries are so common; God must have made that joint so inadequate for weight bearing and vulnerable to injury for a reason.

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Given that many humans can present better design options
than are actually seen in nature (for some features at least)
isn't it better for believers to accept a theistic evolution
in which god placed the pieces and let them develop according to
his rules?

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The alternative being to accept an imperfect god.

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I have yet to see a human come up with a better design than God.
Perhaps, you would care to describe something that you feel is better, I am very curious how and what that would be.
Feel free to present an alternate design to our larynx, providing all the current functions whilst removing the choking hazard.The alternate is NOT an imperfect God, just imperfect man who persists in his/her folly.Regards,
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"You can no more alter God than a pebble can alter the rhythm of the Pacific."

Did you notice that I said "threatening people with fairie tales" not "telling fairie tales"? I don't think anyone has ever threatened you with evolution-- "Believe evolution or your children will grow tails!!!!!" Yet it seems a common thing for creationists to use threats in an effort to sway opinion. "Believe, or God will be mad and do mean things to you." In other words, rather than say something substantial, you just went for the scare tactics. It isn't effective.Back to the topic though...Several examples have been given demonstrating that the way human throats are built is not the only way to build throats, and that other animals do not have the problems we do with inhaling food. Why is this not enough evidence that we aren't optimally designed?------------------
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Did you read my post #5? Because it seems that you are proposing 2 separate tubes which, outlined above, has severe problems.Regards,
S

The argument of post #5 is in need of defence, sonnike.
David unfamous pointed out (post #9) that an omnipotent creator need accept no constraints whatever in optimising design.
I pointed out (post #11) that a larynx high in the throat plus a separate resonating chamber could do the job.
Ipetrich pointed out (post #14) that dolphins do fine with 2 non-intersecting tubes.
Incedentally, threats of hellfire do not have anything to do with the substance of this debate.

What it is with all you people and this whole "threat" thing?
I quoted a passage to show that we are like CLAY and God is the POTTER. If you take that as a threat, something must be convicting you.Regards,
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Dr. D.M.S. Watson: "Evolution is accepted not because it can be proved by logically coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible." Nature, Aug 10, 1929, p. 233

sonnike, why don't you stick to the topic?Others have read your cut'n'paste in message #5 and provided counterarguments (messages 9, 11, 14 and 20). Do you have a substantive response?

Sonnikke:
I have yet to see a human come up with a better design than God.Actually, our techological systems often improve on many biological systems in various ways.Compare a motorcycle to a horse. The motorcycle has these pluses:It can travel much faster.
It never gets tired.
It never needs to sleep, even though it can.
It has very low basal metabolism (battery leakage).
It has more convenient excrement (exhaust).
It cannot panic or get startled.
It's easy to perform organ transplants on one.Though the motorcycle has these minuses:It cannot reproduce itself.
It cannot make itself travel on its own initiative.
It has very limited senses (fuel level, speed, etc.).
It's much more noisy.

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Dr. D.M.S. Watson: "Evolution is accepted not because it can be proved by logically coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible." Nature, Aug 10, 1929, p. 233

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Just a digression, but, isn't 1929 some 80+ years ago? Surely we've come a long way since then? But then again, the second part of the quote is still relevant. Special creation is still *incredible*.

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Actually, our techological systems often improve on many biological systems in various ways.

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Compare a motorcycle to a horse. The motorcycle has these pluses:

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It can travel much faster.
It never gets tired.
It never needs to sleep, even though it can.
It has very low basal metabolism (battery leakage).
It has more convenient excrement (exhaust).
It cannot panic or get startled.
It's easy to perform organ transplants on one.

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Though the motorcycle has these minuses:

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It cannot reproduce itself.
It cannot make itself travel on its own initiative.
It has very limited senses (fuel level, speed, etc.).
It's much more noisy.

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And a motorcycle was designed by an intelligent designer.
Usually evo's frown upon me when I use inanimate designed objects as an analogy of evidence to God's design in this universe, but hey.Regards,
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Dr. D.M.S. Watson: "Evolution is accepted not because it can be proved by logically coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible." Nature, Aug 10, 1929, p. 233

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And a motorcycle was designed by an intelligent designer.

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That's the whole point of the comparison, sonnikke. An intelligently designed object would be much more efficient and suitable for its purpose than a naturally occuring one. So, why is the hummanly designed motorbike more efficient than a divinely designed horse? Is your god such a poor designer that he can't indue his creations with the advantages of being designed?Perhaps you should update your thinking if you are still reling on 70+ year old quotes and arguments.