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Author Topic:   Clades and Kinds
bluescat48
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Message 91 of 143 (531749)
10-19-2009 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by ICANT
10-16-2009 10:56 AM


Re: Nested clades
Well God made kinds. Clades are made by man. So a bacteria, humans, mushrooms, cattle, horses, dogs, lions, tigers, elephants, rinos, fish, whales, apes, and monkeys are not the same kind.
This still doesn't say what a kind is.
Bacteria is a Domain
Human is a genus
Mushrooms several different size groups of the kingdom Fungi
Cattle a family
horses again a family
as are dogs
Lions & tigers are in the same genus
Elephant is an order
Rhino a family
Fish a super class
Whales an order
apes a family including the human genus Homo
monkeys at least 2 families
So how are these kinds?

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bluescat48
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Message 104 of 143 (531880)
10-20-2009 11:02 AM
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10-20-2009 1:59 AM


Re: Nested clades
You want to lump a bunch of stuff into a pile and give it a name.
But that is what you are doing. If you call all bacteria a kind, you are lumping organisms that are more distantly related than a human & a starfish. You separate lion & tiger but put all mushrooms as the same kind. The problem is your use of common names to differentiate organisms. This is why the term "kind" is useless in scientific classification. At least a clad uses organisms that show some sense of relationship.
Edited by bluescat48, : typio

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 110 of 143 (531924)
10-20-2009 2:08 PM
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10-20-2009 1:25 PM


Re: Nested clades
Actually it would be better to take it up with the bronze age men who coined the "kinds" like everything else in Genesis. That is where the problem stems. They wrote about what they observed and added what they thought to it.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 124 of 143 (531985)
10-20-2009 6:43 PM
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10-20-2009 2:57 PM


Re: Nested clades
So then explain why the bible writers got it all wrong.
Flat, fixed earth, an impossible flood which has an indeterminate number of "kinds"+ 8 humans, and later listing bats as birds, and insects with 4 legs? As for Moses, he wrote nothing, if he compiled anything it was hieroglyphics since the Israelites had no alphabet until they adopted the Phoenician alphabet in the 10th century BCE, at least 300 years after Moses.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 132 of 143 (532025)
10-20-2009 10:02 PM
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10-20-2009 9:33 PM


Re: Nested clades
Why do you think Moses could not write the things he was supposed to have written? He would have been educated in the Late Egyptian language that was used for religious literature and for communication.
Like I said Hieroglyhics which could easily be misread several hundred years later when transcribed into the Phoenician alphabet.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 135 of 143 (532031)
10-20-2009 10:28 PM
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10-20-2009 9:33 PM


Re: Nested clades
So do you have something I don't have?
The fact that most of us here at EvC don't read or understand Hebrew or Aramaic, we are stuck with translations.
Here are 4 which say that insects have 4 legs.
KJV Leviticus 11:
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
Douey Rheims Leviticus 11:21 But whatsoever walketh upon four feet, but hath the legs behind longer, wherewith it hoppeth upon the earth,
22 That you shall eat, as the bruchus in its kind, the attacus, and ophiomachus, and the locust, every one according to their kind.
23 But of dying things whatsoever hath four feet only, shall be an abomination to you:
KJVUP Leviticus 11:21 Yet these may all of you eat of every flying creeping thing that goes upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap likewise upon the earth;
22 Even these of them all of you may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
World EB Leviticus 11:21 Yet these may you eat of all winged creeping things that go on all fours, which have legs above their feet, with which to leap on the earth.
22 Even these of them you may eat: the locust after its kind, and the bald locust after its kind, and the cricket after its kind, and the grasshopper after its kind.
23 But all winged creeping things, which have four feet, are an abomination to you.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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