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Author Topic:   Squaring circles: direct biblical contradictions
hooah212002
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Message 72 of 161 (532328)
10-22-2009 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by purpledawn
10-22-2009 4:38 AM


Re: Errors
ABE: Since we don't have original manuscripts, we can't really say whether the Bible writers made errors or not.
If scribes made copying errors later, does that negate the Bible from containing the word of God? If yes, why?
If translators made errors later, does that negate the Bible from containing the word of God? If yes, why?
If you make an error in comprehension or interpretation, does that negate the Bible from containing the word of God? If yes, why?
So, then, in your opinion, the only people who could possibly know "the truth" are those who read directly from the original manuscripts? i.e. The Dead Sea Scrolls? Since you say every version since contains errors?

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hooah212002
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Message 73 of 161 (532329)
10-22-2009 7:05 PM


A recurring theme i am seeing here is that the bible is not the direct word of god, at least not all of it, but rather, man's writing.
The problem i see with that, is that the bible is the only evidence ever cited as the proof of god. That good old christian circular reasoning "god exists because the bible says so and the bible is gods word"
How do we know then that this god figure wasn't inserted by the writers? If the bible is just stories written by bronze age sheep herders, ho wis that proof of YHWH's existence? How do you pick and choose what is "god's word" and what is not? Do you base that on bible passages, which are written by those same men?
{ABE}While I do see the NT as a decent moral compass, given jesus' hippy status.
Why are there seperate authors for numerous stories? The A&E myth is touted as being evidence for how god made life. However, the story is told by many authors. Why?
Sorry if this is off topic, not my intention.
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Message 75 of 161 (532339)
10-22-2009 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by purpledawn
10-22-2009 8:27 PM


Re: Errors
I was asking YOU a question. Not a question posed to you regarding Blzebub.
Care to answer it?
{ABE} The reason for my question is based on your continued assertion that it is the scribes who translated the original whom created any errors.
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hooah212002
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Message 77 of 161 (532341)
10-22-2009 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by purpledawn
10-22-2009 8:51 PM


Re: Errors
Where did I assert that the scribes who translated the original created any errors?
Message 39
purpledawn writes:
Since I seriously doubt you have a copy of any original manuscripts, there's nothing to debate. I would agree that the original manuscripts probably were accurate. There's no way to know. Of course, we have to remember that the Bible was compiled over thousands of years and the originals probably weren't even around when the NT was written. We already know that the NT writings have been altered from their originals. Other books, which I believe are no longer extant, are referenced in the Bible. So we know that information was pulled from other sources than God.
Message 45
purpledawn writes:
Well we have a cut and paste story and the verses come from different authors. So by the Doctrine of Inerrancy, the originals were probably fine. Only when Ezra started meshing these stories together do we get a problem. I agree, Ezra didn't keep the story consistent. He missed details. Now if one wanted to get really picky, the first verse says all the livestock in the fields. That leaves the possibility that Pharoh's horses were in the barn or stalls, etc. That detail isn't in the story though. (I'm being humorous in case you don't understand that.)
So why does Ezra's poor editing make the Bible not the word of God? Remember, we don't know what the original story said.
purpledawn writes:
Since we don't have the original manuscripts on either of these, we don't know if the mistakes were in the originals.
Message 52
purpledawn writes:
Since we don't have original manuscripts, we can't really say whether the Bible writers made errors or not.
If scribes made copying errors later, does that negate the Bible from containing the word of God? If yes, why?
If translators made errors later, does that negate the Bible from containing the word of God? If yes, why?
If you make an error in comprehension or interpretation, does that negate the Bible from containing the word of God? If yes, why?
You do realize the Bible was physically written, compiled, copied, and translated by men, right?
Need any more?
{ABE} you apparently don't give our current copies of any bible the benefit of doubt for being "exact copies". Which is why I asked if you feel the only people who "know the real truth" are those in posession of the originals. If the current copies aren't legit, why follow them AT ALL? What good are they?
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Message 154 of 161 (542230)
01-08-2010 11:39 AM
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01-08-2010 11:38 AM


Re: Add To The Discussion
It meant (as with almost any admin message) to not respond to that particular message.

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