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Message 18 of 485 (568494)
07-06-2010 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Big_Al35
07-06-2010 9:31 AM


The case may rest
One of the key differences in creationist thinking and evolutionary thinking has not been mentioned. Creationists like to think of themselves as optimists; they believe in an afterlife, morals and good nature and that these attributes are worth pursuing. Evolutionary thinking however is very pessimistic. They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes. Success is measured in terms of still being around to see the death of all those around you.
You can see that evolution paints a horrific picture even if it is factually correct. (I am not saying that it is mind) It needs to work on its salesmanship.
This one post here confirms the whole premise of the OP. It is even a good example of Poe's Law in action. You are becoming a parody of yourself.

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Message 24 of 485 (568508)
07-06-2010 11:17 AM
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07-06-2010 10:56 AM


Re: The case may rest
Read what others have posted. What you claim "evolutionists" think is wrong.
What does one get when one reads this.
One of the key differences in creationist thinking and evolutionary thinking has not been mentioned. Creationists like to think of themselves as optimists; they believe in an afterlife, morals and good nature and that these attributes are worth pursuing. Evolutionary thinking however is very pessimistic. They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes. Success is measured in terms of still being around to see the death of all those around you.
You can see that evolution paints a horrific picture even if it is factually correct. (I am not saying that it is mind) It needs to work on its salesmanship.
That "evolutionists" are evil and immoral. Creationists are moral and good.
Do you realize evolution is not a moral code or lifestyle?
Evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations. It says nothing about kill or be killed. Do you know that Social darwinism is not actually part of the TOE. Totally differnet things. Social Darwinism is a misnomer.
Anyone can understand the TOE. Any religion. Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Sihk. Non-religious too. The TOE does not call for an adherence to any moral code. It is a SCIENTFIC THEORY. Nothing more, nothing less.
When you post the crap you do saying that "evolutionists" have no morals and we stand for something horrific, I rightfully get mad. If you find offense at that tough shit. I will not stand idly by as you insult me.

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Message 34 of 485 (568521)
07-06-2010 11:37 AM
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07-06-2010 11:25 AM


I believe that is Poe's Corollary

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Message 55 of 485 (568625)
07-07-2010 9:00 AM
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07-07-2010 5:04 AM


tomato writes:
Big Al, if you know of any Evolutionist who said or wrote that "anything goes," then let's see some documentation.
I don't mean to be rude but you are typical of how evolutionists think. "let's see some documentation". Other typical quotes from evolutionists include "where's the evidence", "prove it", "show me one person who" etc etc....
So you have no documentation. This is, again, something you pulled out of your ass. I, for one, am not surprised at all.
OH and you are ok with people stating things and having nothing to back themselves up.
No wonder creos and fundies continuously fall for lame investment schemes. Are you "investing" in any of the HYIP schemes out there. I know a few of your like minded folk that have or are. Funny how not having critical thinking skills can have a huge negative impact on one's life.
P.S.
Are the lame personal attacks going to continue? They are getting quite old. Could you please highlight at the beginning of your post that you are going to post an attack. That way I don't read them and get upset.
Thanks.

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Message 61 of 485 (568631)
07-07-2010 10:13 AM
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07-07-2010 9:25 AM


I just want to be clear
Again you seem to reinforce what this thread is all about.
You would believe an unevidenced assertion over an evidenced claim that is in direct contrast if your evidenced claim is something that is part of your religion?
Here is how "evolutionists"(I hate how creos use this term, like people that adhere to scientific principles are one monolithic block that has all the same beliefs and outlook on life. It isn't a religion) think. We think critically. We want to see evidence. If there is no evidence then the belief should be at least questioned and evidence should be looked for it and against it.

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Message 67 of 485 (568746)
07-14-2010 4:03 PM
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07-14-2010 10:37 AM


How did you get
Big_Al35 writes:
Yes, I think there maybe some closet creationists here. Sounds like you maybe one of them....eh?
out of
Taq writes:
How do evolutionists think, in your opinion? Please keep in mind that about 30% of biologists world wide believe in some form of a creator god and an afterlife.
I do not see how you could derive that from what little was said. Is Poe's law striking again?

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Message 117 of 485 (569292)
07-21-2010 10:28 AM
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07-20-2010 6:14 PM


Start a thread?
I believe that the historical evidence for the bodily resurrection of Jesus is much stronger than for the argument against it.
I also contend that there is at least as much empirical evidence about Jesus, (if you call historical literature as empirical evidence), as there is for any other historical figure. Even the fact that there is something instead of nothing is evidence of a sort.
Any interest in bringing this not a new thread.
The only evidence you have is biblical. If you have any contemporary, extra-biblical evidence it would rock the world. I am really curious to see if you definition is the same as other christians. In other words faith and belief.
My concern with discussing this is that you will fall back to the classic apologist mode of demanding evidence that there is no evidence. That debate gets very old very qucikly.

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Message 118 of 485 (569295)
07-21-2010 10:31 AM
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07-20-2010 8:22 PM


ummmm, not evidence
This is very apropos for this thread I think.
Why don't you show us how and where Wright is presenting historical evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ. I don't see it.

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Message 120 of 485 (569333)
07-21-2010 12:22 PM
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07-21-2010 11:22 AM


Re: Evolution is agnostic
There is no historical evidence for Buddha either, also Confucius is now being rethought as a legendary figure too.

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Message 128 of 485 (569418)
07-21-2010 7:28 PM
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07-21-2010 6:46 PM


there is no evidence that is irrefutable.
No it doesn't. What does faith have to do with morals? Are atheists immoral in your eyes? If so why?

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Message 343 of 485 (571376)
07-31-2010 2:22 PM
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07-31-2010 2:19 PM


Re: Ebert's Out of Body Experience
As far as Roger Ebert goes, I heard him talking about it. As such, I hardly need to provide evidence of it, as you can choose to believe it or not.
I think most of us would choose not to believe it as there is no evidence presented to ascertain the veracity of your statement.

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Message 344 of 485 (571377)
07-31-2010 2:23 PM
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07-31-2010 2:22 PM


Re: evidence of the super-natural
or any evidence that it happened at all. So far we are in the realm of hearsay only.

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Message 357 of 485 (571478)
07-31-2010 9:41 PM
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07-31-2010 9:35 PM


WOW!!
You won't even admit your wrong when it is clearly shown you were wrong.
In the thread you mention, it was clearly shown that you were talking out of your ass when you talked about dawkins and silicon.
That you attempt to disparage and badmouth GM this way, has made you lose any you shred of credibility you had.
I venture to guess no one is going to be expecting any real debate out of you in the future.

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Message 384 of 485 (571595)
08-01-2010 1:33 PM
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08-01-2010 1:31 PM


I know it is silly to even ask
You can see a lot of evidence for this in the rabid way they gather like attack dogs to chase away any academics who actually have as their agenda seeking the truth, and not the ideology of the modern scientific mafia.
Any evidence for this assertion?
Again, just my opinion.
But alas, you opinion has no affect on reality.

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Message 388 of 485 (571601)
08-01-2010 1:48 PM
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08-01-2010 1:31 PM


Evolution=atheism?
they were perhaps subtly brain-washed by a modern scientific community that is less about seeking truth and more about getting their funding, and fostering their atheistic cultism.
So all scientists are atheists?
Any believer in evolution is an atheist?
You better start informing a lot of churches and all Catholics.
Oh wait. Are you playing the no true scotsman card agian?

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