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Topic: Creationists think Evolutionists think like Creationists.
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subbie
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Message 33 of 485 (568520)
07-06-2010 11:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 31 by Big_Al35
07-06-2010 11:30 AM
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Re: The case may rest
I'm not sticking around for your entertainment value. Good grief...I think somebody touched a nerve!
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: 02-26-2006
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Message 160 of 485 (569954)
07-24-2010 8:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 159 by marc9000
07-24-2010 7:25 PM
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You may not say it, but the actions of the scientific community, and the postings/personalities of posters on several message boards like this one clearly show that’s exactly what they think. As well as literature, past and present, from Darwin's Bulldogs, and he had a lot of them. Everyone has a set of presuppositions that guide their moral and ethical analyses. There is no neutral ground from which to discuss questions regarding behavior in an organized society. Many/most evolutionists have a passion for science that is equal to the most passionately religious person — it’s obvious on these forums. There’s no evidence that evolutionists are like robots, operating in a vacuum where their mind is a blank slate, changeable at any second, if new data comes in. If new, compelling evidence for a young earth was suddenly unveiled, evolution would not instantly disappear from the minds of all evolutionists. Any evidence for a young earth, no matter how compelling, would be attacked, ridiculed, brushed aside to keep the evolutionist faith alive. If this doesn't prove the thesis of this thread, nothing will.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
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That was the finding of a conservative, Republican, Christian judge. Hardly someone we would expect to be biased against creationism, but because the judge was an honest person who honestly weighed the evidence before him.... I think that's the nicest thing I've ever seen you say about a conservative, Republican, Christian. You've grown, young son. 
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: 02-26-2006
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Message 168 of 485 (570147)
07-25-2010 10:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 167 by Blue Jay
07-25-2010 10:06 PM
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Since I acknowledge that I am no the most reliable source of information, I consequently also acknowledge that I may have no idea how stupid my perspective is. I think the world would be a much better place if everybody also acknowledged this, and approached every conversation as if they acknowledged this. I applaud you on your attitude, and couldn't agree more with your idea of what would make the world a better place. The unfortunate thing is that those who most need to understand what you acknowledge are those who are least likely to.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: 02-26-2006
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Re: The limits of material science.
If it's even the most likely answer, then as scientists we have to accept that this is the most likely answer.
(My emphasis) Now, that's funny! Exactly when and how did you achieve the status of scientist? Because whoever said you are needs to have his science credentials revoked.
There are real scientific studies on psychic phenomenon and on near death experiences that so far can only be explained as not having a material cause. Citation? Thought not.
Of course, skeptics will simply scoff and say the experiment must be flawed, or make some other rationalization, but it is a rationalization that they don't apply to every other scientific study that yields results they do agree with. You silly twit! That's what scientists do all day. Challenge the results of other experiments, and yes, even ones they agree with. If you can spend even as little time here has you have a not be aware of this basic fact about science, I'm afraid there's really very little hope of you ever learning anything useful. Maybe you should start looking for a tin cup and some pencils.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
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Re: How evolutionists think...
The problem you are missing is that in fact some experiments actually DO provide evidence that is best explained by a non-materialistic cause. Citation? Thought not.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
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Re: How evolutionists think...
Why? Is the results of any particular study the issue here, or is the issue whether or not a non-material explanation is acceptable? Both. I'm not going to take a position on the adequacy of evidence until I see the evidence. That's the way science works.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
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Re: How evolutionists think...
First you are trying to say that any studies of the super-natural have been proven wrong Still waiting for you to provide a cite to even one of those studies, Chuckles.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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Message 294 of 485 (571167)
07-30-2010 2:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 293 by GDR
07-30-2010 2:36 PM
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Re: That's a Big Jump
So, when science hasn't been able so far to provide an example you just say that it will some day. Wouldn't that be the same as someone saying that god did it. The difference, of course, is that the former is the beginning of a search for further answers while the latter is the end.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
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Re: That's a Big Jump
I would suggest that the idea of a timeless, motionless universe (non-universe) before the big bang, changing to a universe full of matter and time is evidence for a supernatural occurrence. Do you have any evidence of a "timeless, motionless universe (non-universe) before the big bang?" Or is that simply your own ill-informed interpretation of what you think scientists believe about a pre-big bang universe? If the former, please offer evidence. If the latter, please give a citation to where a scientist says any such thing.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: 02-26-2006
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Re: That's a Big Jump
What do you have?
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
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Re: How evolutionists think...
A guy is able to repeat back words that a doctor said to another doctor, while this patient had no brain activity. I'm quite certain this has never happened. The reason I'm so certain is that I'm quite certain nobody has ever come back from "no brain activity." I'd ask you to provide evidence, but instead I'm going out to yell at my lawn. I expect the same level of substantive response as I would get from you, but this way I get some fresh air, too.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
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Re: Ebert's Out of Body Experience
As far as Roger Ebert goes, I heard him talking about it. As such, I hardly need to provide evidence of it, as you can choose to believe it or not. Well, he's staying with me right now, for a bit of holiday, and he told me that that never happened. So there.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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subbie
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Re: Getting back on topic...
I think most creationists think that evolutionists just don't have the proper reasoning skills to understand two sides to an argument, and further they are so locked into their dogma, that really most of the time, they practice a sort of preaching to the choir sort of closed minded mentality about the whole evolution topic. ... At least this is what I think about how evolutionists think. Well, I guess we've firmly established the truth of the topic. Thanks for that.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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Message 410 of 485 (571627)
08-01-2010 3:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 403 by Percy
08-01-2010 2:34 PM
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Re: Getting back on topic...
Are we just toying with this nimrod? Are we not suspending him for rules violations because we don't want to give him the satisfaction? Or are we letting him prattle on simply to provide continuing proof of the topic? Just curious, because it seems like he's getting a lot more leeway than you give even the average creo.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
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