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Author Topic:   Creationists think Evolutionists think like Creationists.
DC85
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Message 366 of 485 (571513)
08-01-2010 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by marc9000
07-31-2010 9:37 PM


Re: The search for meaning
I don’t consider Christianity to be on the same level as all other secular subjects. A person doesn’t become a Christian, or realize he/she is a Christian, as a simple quick decision of hey, why not, that looks easy
yet those Christians seem to expect it from others with absurdity like Pascals wager.
hey, why not, that looks easy, as they do with so many other subjects, including atheism IMO. What’s not quick and easy about atheism?
I didn't choose to be atheist anymore then I choose to pass gas. I can hold it in but that would be rather painful and will come out sooner or later.
How does one choose to not believe something? I cannot choose to believe in a deity as in my mind it's unnecessary and in most cases absurdity.
Darwin was finishing up his Beagle voyage, one of his first stops on land was to visit some atheist geologists. Can you help me out with an old earth there buddy? I’m sure they assured him that if he needed geological evidence for an old earth, he would certainly have it!
It's seems you know nothing about Darwin or his beliefs.
Their engagement with people on personal views seems to get around to flat earths and flying spaghetti monsters pretty quickly
These are used to show why your argument doesn't make sense to us. Unfortunately if we make up
an example of something we see as the same you get offended. ....

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DC85
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Message 386 of 485 (571599)
08-01-2010 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 1:12 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Perhaps most evolutionists in school were simply taught that this is the way life is
Considering most schools tip toe around the subject it's doubtful. I for one was a creationist until I took the time to understand the subject.
and since that was all they were taught, and never really got a very rounded education
Well rounded? I was taught of Biblical creation as most people are from parents and Church like most people in the United States do. Do you have something else in mind? Perhaps Churches and parents should do better at understand the subject and start coming up with better arguments then "DURRR The Universe is complex therefore God must have designed it" . If they did far less people would abandon it.
they basically stop thinking shortly after junior high school.
Schools at least when I was in school didn't really cover evolution until 9th or 10th grade of High school.
Perhaps one can blame this on the evolutionists themselves for never really pursuing the subject more themselves and having an intellectual curiosity,
Considering 9/10 people who abandon creationism do so for this very reason I highly doubt this is the case.
perhaps part of the fault is also the public school systems for not teaching a well rounded curriculum.
Perhaps we can blame creationists for having weak arguments? Perhaps we can blame parents and Churches for not teaching it well enough to followers?

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DC85
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Message 455 of 485 (572246)
08-04-2010 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by marc9000
08-04-2010 8:48 PM


Re: The search for meaning
Ignorance and dishonesty in science? How about ignorance and dishonesty concerning American history and world history? .
Oh... Do you mean like how the Texas School board and numerous other truly uneducated keep pushing the falsehood that the founding fathers were all Christian and that the United States was founded on Christianity even though evidence shows it to be very Different?
Do you mean how American Schools teach about World War 2 without discussing what caused it and how the Nazi party took power and what they "stood for"?
nd you exempt humanism and atheism from all this?
Science and evolution have nothing to do with atheism. Please stop trying to make them the same thing. Science has no opinion on God because God cannot be observed. Science limits itself to what can be observed.
If you're talking about secularism in Society that also has NOTHING to do with atheism. If something has a neutral stance on religion it is not pushing any agenda or ideals at all.
I’ve been going to Christian churches all my life, and I’ve never seen it. Every single pastor/minister/priest I’ve seen in person has never gotten near political issues, largely because they don’t want to alienate any of their members.
No they just talk about "moral values" which push you a political way and networks like CBN talk about the absurdity called "moral" decline and how the "evil secular/ atheist/ gay agenda" are causing it.

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