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Author Topic:   Creationists think Evolutionists think like Creationists.
Bolder-dash
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Message 406 of 485 (571622)
08-01-2010 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 405 by Chiroptera
08-01-2010 2:40 PM


Re: wikipedia hijacking
I am sure they are convinced they are rational anyway.

I hear the Nazis were also convinced of this. In fact, by the looks of it, they acquired a lot of their propaganda skills probably training somewhere in Eastern Europe.


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Chiroptera
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Message 407 of 485 (571623)
08-01-2010 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 2:42 PM


Re: wikipedia hijacking
I am sure they are convinced they are rational anyway.

I hear the Nazis were also convinced of this.

I was convince that my side was the rational one when I was a creationist. Until I looked further into the matter. Then I realized that the creationists were irrational and the evolutionist side was the rational side. Eventually I switch sides.


To count as an atheist, one needn't claim to have proof that there are no gods. One only needs to believe that the evidence on the god question is in a similar state to the evidence on the werewolf question. -- John McCarthy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 408 of 485 (571624)
08-01-2010 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 2:36 PM


Re: wikipedia hijacking
Bolder-dash writes:

Well, at least we agree on one aspect.

I guess this must be your version of sarcasm.

Bolder-dash writes:

The evolutionists definitely control Wikipedia.

Sheeesh, you have no idea....get a clue.....The evolutionists control the Milkyway Galaxy!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley


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jar
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Message 409 of 485 (571625)
08-01-2010 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 2:42 PM


Re: wikipedia hijacking
Bolder-dash writes:

I am sure they are convinced they are rational anyway.

I hear the Nazis were also convinced of this. In fact, by the looks of it, they acquired a lot of their propaganda skills probably training somewhere in Eastern Europe.

Gotta ask you to clarify that statement or admit that you are once again simply posting falsehoods.

When you say "In fact, by the looks of it, they acquired a lot of their propaganda skills probably training somewhere in Eastern Europe." who exactly does "they" refer to?

Why do you think we will accept your continued unsupported assertions as anything other then you spreading falsehoods?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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subbie
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Message 410 of 485 (571627)
08-01-2010 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 403 by Percy
08-01-2010 2:34 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Are we just toying with this nimrod? Are we not suspending him for rules violations because we don't want to give him the satisfaction? Or are we letting him prattle on simply to provide continuing proof of the topic?

Just curious, because it seems like he's getting a lot more leeway than you give even the average creo.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate


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Percy
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Message 411 of 485 (571629)
08-01-2010 3:22 PM
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08-01-2010 3:00 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
I'm not playing a moderator role in this thread. I hadn't observed this side of Bolder-dash before, but now I'm aware of it.

--Percy


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Granny Magda
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Message 412 of 485 (571630)
08-01-2010 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by subbie
08-01-2010 3:00 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Hi Subbie,

Are we just toying with this nimrod?

That was pretty much my assumption.

Or are we letting him prattle on simply to provide continuing proof of the topic?

He is doing a bang up job of it.

Just curious, because it seems like he's getting a lot more leeway than you give even the average creo.

In my opinion, guys like Bolders (or CFO, or Calypsis, etc.) should be given plenty of leeway. Then they can spread their muck all over the internet like some sort of electronic dirty protest. They are seemingly oblivious to how much they damage their own cause when they do this. That's just fine by me. Even if I dedicated myself twenty-four hours a day to making creationism look foolish, I couldn't do as good a job as Bolder-dash manages in a single post.

I say let's give him as much rope as he likes. Then he can continue to blather on about how we're simultaneously both Nazis and Stalinists, or how we control the layouts of book stores and other such paranoid fantasies. He can score as many own goals as he likes.

With friends like Bolder-dash, creationism really doesn't need enemies.

Mutate and Survive


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Coyote
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Message 413 of 485 (571632)
08-01-2010 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 2:26 PM


Re: Expelled?
Anyway, do you have any theory about why evolutionists intentionally alter Wikipedia to suit their cultism?

Sorry to have to break this to you, but science is the norm, the standard. People around the world, of all religions and no religion, contribute to it and help shape it. It is based on evidence that is clear to anyone who cares to look for it.

It is those who follow particular interpretations of particular religions who have trouble with science and what science has learned. They adhere to a narrow view of ancient texts and myths. They have to deny and ignore the evidence that contradicts their religious beliefs.

Now which of these is more properly called a "cult?"


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 414 of 485 (571636)
08-01-2010 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 2:26 PM


Re: Expelled?
What is Expelled? Never heard of it.

I am going to wave the bullshit flag here. I think you are being deceptive here Bolder.

Here is why. Here is what you said here Message 389:

Bolder-dash writes:

I see this rabid dog mentality in the way they ganged up on eminently qualified scientists like Guillermo Gonzalez, who was inexplicably denied tenure at ISU, and how they fought to oust Richard Sternberg, a double PHD evolutionary biologist, and teacher Caroline Crocker. I also see it in the way they attempt to silence discourse, like by protesting against Academic Freedom laws, as well as how they have taken over Wikipedia sites and filled them with Nazi worthy evolutionist propaganda. And of course its also pretty easy to see the attack mentality on this website as well.

Now, using my keen intelect I saw a whole string of people that the movie "Expelled" specifically mentions (yes I watched it). In addition it specifically talked about "academic freedom" legislation being 'protested' and "nazi evolutionary propoganda". It was not until this movie was marketed that all of these people and terms were all put into the exact same context.

I googled this same string of names: "Guillermo Gonzalez" "Richard Sternberg" "Caroline Crocker" and the word Nazi. And guess what? Every single reference referred to the movie "Expelled".

I very highy doubt you came up with all these people on your own without consulting the movie Expelled (or at least a website discussing the movie) which specifically mentioned all of these terms you mention in your post. Furthermore the movie came out in April 2008, less than a year after Gonzalez was denied tenure in June 2007, yet the movie specifically mentions this event.

I am not going to even ask you to show evidence that you pulled this information from somewhere besides the movie (you would have at least heard of the movie second-hand), because I doubt you would entertain this notion and will end up dodging the issue and telling me that I am an evil atheist evolutionist or something stupid like that. However, if you did provide evidence I would sincerely apologize and completely redact my previous statements.

You may be asking why I go through all the trouble to do this, and the reason why is that I detest dishonest people whether they be religious or non-religious and several people that came to this board claimed things which I and others knew without a shadow of doubt were lies. Needless to say once they were exposed very few if any dared to reply and some were never to hear from again. Honestly I hope you keep posting (how fun is it to debate others with the same point of view ) and hopefully I am wrong in my assertations but I and others will not stand for outright dishonesty and trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

Ok, done with rant. Will get off my soapbox now.


"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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crashfrog
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Message 415 of 485 (571673)
08-01-2010 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 383 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 1:31 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
I am still of the lack of a well-rounded education opinion.

Ok, well, we can discuss that. Maybe we can even compare.

I'm a biochemistry major now, but I have a total of about six years of formal undergraduate study in such diverse fields as English writing and literature, computer science, Russian history, Bible history, and journalism. I've traveled to about 5 different countries (which is no great shakes, just putting that out there), studied at 7 different institutions including La Sorbonne, and can program, if not awesomely, in Java, PHP, and Python. I'm an adequate though frequently ingenious carpenter, developed one or two research methods for Loxosceles reclusa, trained in several martial arts of the sword, and I'm teaching myself basic electronics soldering.

In other words I'm a jack of quite a few trades. Well-rounded to a fault, most would say, and note that the biggest weakness of my CV is that I've not yet acquired the depth in any field to match my breadth.

So, how about you? What areas have you studied, formally or informally? What's your training and experience in scientific fields? What was the last scientific paper you read? Be specific. I'm looking for authors, title, and date and journal of publication.

I also think that one reason why evolutionists are so close minded and not very contemplative

Literally nobody here thinks you're the contemplative one. You understand that, right?


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Bolder-dash
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Message 416 of 485 (571678)
08-01-2010 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by subbie
08-01-2010 3:00 PM


suspending for giving opinion?
Well, this is a very interesting view you bring to the table subbie. That I should actually be SUSPENDED for my opinions about the topic of how creationists think evolutionists think. Its a most interesting and revealing point I must say.

For instance, I have not seen anyone suggesting that a other posters in this thread be suspended for the following:

-For most creationists, there is little understanding of how science actually works and that might be a symptom of poor education.

-they devised "creation science" with which to deceive the courts and the public that their opposition to evolution was "purely scientific" (a lie they have frequently used).

-That's when I realized that they don't think at all like we do! We're trying to construct an integrated and self-consistent world-view by learning all we can about the world; everything we learn needs to fit together for it all to make any sense. They're not trying to build a consistent world-view; they're just attacking science.

-One obvious difference between "selling" evolution and selling a commercial product such as soap and automobiles is that in the world of business it is not considered permissible for the competition to tell lies about one's product.

If creationist propagandists could ever attain to the standard of morality and decency set by Madison Avenue hucksters, then evolutionists would have no difficulties in appealing to a wider market.

-When you post the crap you do saying that "evolutionists" have no morals and we stand for something horrific, I rightfully get mad. If you find offense at that tough shit. I will not stand idly by as you insult me.

-You're free to post rubbish, and we're free to mock you for doing so.

-Well, now that you brought it up, there does seem to be a major failure on the part of creationists in the critical thinking department. And "logic," with the exception of the circular kind, does seem to escape the majority of them all together. Combine these with the creationist propensity to ignore so many millions of facts and you may indeed be correct; a creationist can't think correctly.

-Now, most rank-and-file creationists are just plain ignorant about evolution and accept without thought the creationist lies that they are fed; they simply regurgitate those lies without knowing what they are doing. But many active creationists do know what they are doing and that they are using lies.

-No wonder creos and fundies continuously fall for lame investment schemes. Are you "investing" in any of the HYIP schemes out there. I know a few of your like minded folk that have or are. Funny how not having critical thinking skills can have a huge negative impact on one's life.

P.S.
Are the lame personal attacks going to continue? They are getting quite old. Could you please highlight at the beginning of your post that you are going to post an attack. That way I don't read them and get upset. (isn't this one truly trult ironic?)

-If you can spend even as little time here has you have a not be aware of this basic fact about science, I'm afraid there's really very little hope of you ever learning anything useful. Maybe you should start looking for a tin cup and some pencils.

-Oh, come on, stop playing dumb, everyone is commenting about your comprehension problems. It's not like they aren't as obvious as all get out.

-It does seem to be typical of creationists that they think everybody is partisan just because they are, that everybody will jump on the bandwagon just because they do. If they have no repsect for anybody else's intelligence or integrity, is it because they have none of their own? Maybe they think intelligence and integrity don't exist.

-You've made it abundantly clear that it is the creationists like you who lack any sort of curiosity. Intellectual curiosity is not equivalent to guileless credulity.

Hmmm...but perhaps I should be banned for giving MY opinion of how creationists think evolutionists think?

But oh, the blastphemy I have committed!

percy writes:


"I hadn't observed this side of Bolder-dash before, but now I'm aware of it."

Uh oh, I better be careful..Percy is now aware. I am being monitored.

Very interesting point that you bring up though subbie-that I should be banned.

Point noted.


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subbie
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Posts: 3509
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Message 417 of 485 (571680)
08-01-2010 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 11:08 PM


Re: suspending for giving opinion?
You have been in flagrant violation of several forum rules for weeks, with few, if any, exceptions. Others have been temporarily suspended previously for far less than you've gotten away with here. It obviously has nothing to do with your opinions. You really haven't said anything that others haven't said without any type of sanction. It's your rule violations that I was referring to, not your opinions. And I assume that that's what Percy was talking about as well, although I won't presume to speak for him.

You'll likely refuse to believe what I'm saying. I'm mainly speaking for the benefit of any rational person who may be reading this. I don't want them to get the wrong idea. Anyone who thinks I'm not being honest is free to ask for specific examples of what I've said here and I'll happily provide them.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate


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Bolder-dash
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Message 418 of 485 (571683)
08-01-2010 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by subbie
08-01-2010 11:16 PM


Re: suspending for giving opinion?
I saw what you wrote.

I gave my opinion of how I think evolutionists think. And that is followed by you asking why I haven't been banned. And that was followed by Percy saying, Oh I haven't seen this side, but I am aware of it now. i.e "I will be watching. "

Your point is very clear.


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Bolder-dash
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Message 419 of 485 (571685)
08-01-2010 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 415 by crashfrog
08-01-2010 10:30 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Please provide evidence for those claims of your background. We can't just take your word for it here on EvC.

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crashfrog
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Message 420 of 485 (571688)
08-02-2010 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 419 by Bolder-dash
08-01-2010 11:35 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Please provide evidence for those claims of your background.

I don't care if you believe me or not, but I'm curious about your own background. I wonder if you'd share, as I have, and put to rest our disagreement about whether creationists or evolutionists are more "well-rounded."

For instance, what was the last scientific paper you read? Please be specific. I'm looking for authors, title, and date and journal of publication.


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