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greentwiga
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Message 46 of 100 (562389)
05-28-2010 10:45 AM
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03-30-2010 3:52 PM


Re: A flood of flood mythes.
Good point about Egypt. Usually a total die off is accompanied with a massive cultural change. If the flood was 3,000 BC, there would be few records. Still, Jericho has an occupation record that covers all flood dates.

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Message 48 of 100 (562454)
05-28-2010 11:13 PM
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05-28-2010 8:18 PM


Re: A flood of flood mythes.
Remember, I maintain that the Bible is describing a regional flood. With the first true writing invented in Sumer a little after 3,000 BC, There would be no written records, and only the pre writing accounting records before the flood, there were few "WRITTEN" records.
Jericho does show that the flood never reached there, but the verbal stories, later written down, showing that the flood reached all the way to Kish, agree with a regional flood.

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Message 51 of 100 (562472)
05-29-2010 1:30 AM
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05-29-2010 12:53 AM


Re: sanity check
I happen to disagree that the Black Sea flood had anything to do with the Biblical flood. I also disagree with the world wide flood. I do believe that the Biblical description is literally true, though the traditional interpretation is wrong. People tend to put me in some category of theirs and then get confused because I don't always fit.
Though I accept the Black Sea flood as a real flood, do you want my reasons for rejecting it as Noah's flood?

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Message 53 of 100 (562478)
05-29-2010 2:01 AM
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05-29-2010 1:30 AM


Re: A flood of flood mythes.
I never said it landed on Mt Ararat. The at ending is a feminine ending. Arar can mean hill country. There are several possibilities that would fit. One would be the proto ziggurat of 3,000 BC, one belonging to a goddess. A 30 foot tall sacred mountain could be covered 20 feet (50 feet of floodwater.) I am not saying that it had to be a ziggurat, but offering it as an alternative that fits the "mountains of ararat." The country of Ararat (around the mountain) did not arise until about a thousand years later.
The description of the flood could indicate not only rain and the river rising but some sort of storm surge or tsunami such as might be caused by a landslide into the Persian gulf triggered by the rain. The total could be 50 feet deep.

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Message 55 of 100 (562480)
05-29-2010 2:25 AM
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05-29-2010 1:48 AM


Re: sanity check
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Reservations about the word "literally", unless you are using it to mean that the story material has been preserved word-for-word then you are liable to be confused here. Are you some sort of NIV evangelical?
Nor is Flood Geology the traditional interpretation, it was invented in an attempt to explain away stratification by people who don't understand the use of genre in scripture. "Creation Science" is NOT traditional Creationism.
I am not sure what a NIV evangelical is.
Yes, I can see it is fun to set up the creation science believers as straw dogs and then shoot them down.
Just because Lamark was wrong, doesn't mean science is wrong. Just because the CRI people are wrong doesn't mean the Bible is wrong. I jump in when people insist that the Biblical passage is a myth that has only a little accuracy. The main points that I make are that a marsh flood can last over a year, the reed boat can be huge, It could hold the Sumerian animals, that all the holy mountains of the region could have been covered, and the ark could have landed on a ziggurat or some other sacred mountain of the marsh region.
I am flexible about the meanings of the mountains of Ararat. Where the Biblical description can only fit a Marsh flood, the mountain reference is less detailed and can fit several possibilities.

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Message 58 of 100 (562500)
05-29-2010 10:06 AM
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05-29-2010 2:19 AM


Re: A flood of flood mythes.
The Times & The Sunday Times
Defences again proved inadequate when another cyclone struck on April 29, 1991, with winds reaching 140mph during a high tide, producing a storm surge as much as seven metres high. More than 130,000 people were killed.
Megatsunami - Wikipedia
A megatsunami is meant to refer to a tsunami with an initial wave amplitude (wave height) measured in several tens, hundreds, or possibly thousands of meters.
Megatsunamis can be caused by giant landslides and asteroid impacts. Underwater earthquakes do not normally generate such large tsunamis, but landslides next to bodies of water resulting from earthquakes do, since they cause a massive amount of displacement.
The recently discovered undersea Burckle Crater located at the bottom of the Indian Ocean would have caused a megatsunami at the time of impact estimated to be c. 3,000—2,800 BC.
http://ioc3.unesco.org/itic/contents.php?id=22
Banda Aceh, Indonesia, 26 December 2004. (picture of boat on building)
Runup can often be inferred from the vertical extent of dead vegetation, from debris normally found at ground level that are observed stuck on electric wires, in trees, or at other heights, and from water line marks left on building walls. In extreme cases, cars, boats, and other heavy objects have been lifted and deposited atop buildings. Banda Aceh, Indonesia, 26 December 2004. Photo courtesy of C. Courtney, Tetra Tech EMI.
For more technical math see;
Tsunami: the underrated hazard
By Edward Bryant
A Megatsunami on superflat treeless land could go 100 km inland, and even more if it forms a bore on a river. Successive tsunami waves penetrate farther because of the water left by the previous wave. A similar event can occur if the land is in flood before the tsunami occurs
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