Does intelligent design have creationist roots?

True, but metascience is just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. Science is not science if it has a spiritual component. The spiritual would effect the results and therefore void it of any significance.

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Best I can tell it is pseudoscience BS and malarky. Here is one guys take on it. He thinks we should conflate religion and science. He seems to think they both are equally valid worldviews and we should combine them.Gee, sounds just like ID doesnt it.

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I don't trust the people who disseminate science to the public.

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WOW!!!!!!Because it is too dangerous? Because the public may question their beliefs? Because it takes power away from religion?Your comment distills exactly what scares me about the fundamentalist, creationist, IDer mind set. The desire for a group of elites is so prevalent in that whole group. Guess we got to keep the masses ignorant in order to preserve our way of life.

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I will leave science to the scientists. That is my best judgement. In science they have what is called peer-review. They usually don't just make shit up. If they do there is the peer review process.Now in your mumbo-jumbo world, people can just say anything they want and say it is based on scripture. YOu expect me to balance science with mumbo-jumbo? I might as well just go down to the tarot card reader.Science is based on facts. That other stuff is based upon people having faith. I will take facts over misguided faith anyday.

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I strongly suggest that you use start to utilize your best judgement because there are people out there who want you to hear what they want you to hear.

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Evangelists? Politicians? Faux News?Oh BTW quit being condescending. You do not have any more answers than anyone else. If I want your advice I will ask for it. Oh, I won't be asking.

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I think it would be more rational and more scientific to refute what they say instead of just connecting the dots.

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Look up PRATTS. Points Refuted A Thousand Times.Show us one ID statement that has not been refuted. You see, it gets old when they keep rehashing the same old refuted arguments.Also, the thread is "Does Intelligent design have creationist roots?", not "what is the Most effective way to combat ID?"Therefore, you should be presenting arguments showing us that ID does not have creationist roots. Not saying that we shouldn't be connecting them in the first place. If you want to do that,(here it comes,bet you can guess what I am going to say) START ANOTHER THREAD.

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At the risk of commenting off-topic, I wish ID proponents would make attempts at turning the idea into a scientific one. Make some predictions, run some experiments and have the results peer-reviewed. Help show that ID can be more than thinly veiled Creationism.

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But they can't do that. That would expose it for what it truly is.In the words of the Wizard of Oz.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.The man behind the curtain for ID is creationism.

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Sure sounds like religion to me.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts