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Spiritual Anarchist
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Message 79 of 94 (689065)
01-27-2013 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
03-16-2004 12:36 PM

Is Intelligent Design An Open Movement?
Sorry I didn't know how else to do this. This will probably be posted as message 79 and be overlooked anyway. But I think Pantheism opens up a whole new can of worms. And being a Pantheist I can see myself being questioned on both sides of the debate.
I am just trying to see if ID would be seen as compatible with Pantheism. And which side would have the most objections to this form of ID the Atheist or the Theist. So I am re-posting here only because I am new here and this thread already seems to have replies. I am kind of hoping that this will lead to more post on my original thread.
"Is Intelligent Design An Open Movement?"
If I am doing this all wrong please do not be mad at me. Just delete this post and hopefully I will get answers to my questions anyway.
Is Intelligent Design An Open Movement?
I would like to see a thread on here that will encourage more discussion on what the current proponents of Intelligent Design are open to. In other words many opponents rightly point out that most advocates of ID are Christian. And even further damning is the history of the ID movement being originated in Creationism.
It seems to me this whole debate is between Christians and Atheist on what is and isn't real science. I think the sticking point here is the word Design.
Design implies a total lack of creativity and to me is just as cold as Richard Dawkins summary of natural selection...
""Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators."
When a Penn and Teller episode of BullSh* Penn ask Teller what is the Creationist response to Dawkins Teller hits him with a Bible.
The Intelligent Design movement claims to be different.But given the history of the Discovery Institute and the famous Wedge Document many are justifiably skeptical.
The truth is Design is cold to me anyway whether it is by a God with a predetermined outcome that ignores all the suffering involved until the end ...or simply nature selecting for survival traits.
I do not believe we live in a cold Godless Universe. But I have concluded instead that the Universe is alive and as more awareness manifest the Universe becomes more creative. The suffering in this process is attributed to the fact that to eliminate suffering that the Universe must become self reflective and aware of itself through us and other sentient beings.
Is the Intelligent Design Movement open to Pantheism or other view points beside Christianity?
I feel like I must choose a false Dichotomy in this debate between a meaningless Universe with no room for souls,freewill etc
or belief in some Tribal Deity of the Canaanites.
Are other viewpoints besides the Christian and the Atheist welcome or given consideration? Or is the debate of ID just a battle of Christian values versus Nihilism/Materialism?

My Karma Ran Over My Dogma

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