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bkelly
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Message 38 of 94 (252221)
10-16-2005 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by RAZD
10-15-2005 12:13 PM


What is the goal of ID?
What is ID and is it properly pursued?

I see ID as a form of evolution. Not long ago, almost all those of strong religious beliefs flatly denied the concepts proposed by Darwin. The concept of evolution in the short term has been proven. One proof is the domesticated dog of today. All our domesticated dogs descended from wolves. Look at the variety and attempt to deny evolution.

Back to the point. Now that evolution has been irrevocably crammed down the believer’s throats, they change their position and say “Yeah, okay, it happens, but goddidit.” Their position has evolved. With only part of my tongue in cheek I can say that the changing position of religion supports the concept of evolution.

So what it ID? It is the heroic struggle of religious belief to sustain itself (in some aspects) in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Is it properly pursued?

That depends on your motive and your goals. The motive and goal of ID are, in part, to give the masses substance on to which than can grab hold and say “Yeah, I believe, I am saved.” If those that manage religious groups can achieve this goal, they can remain in power. And that seems to be their primary goal. Religious groups are doing all they possibly can to infuse their religion into government and laws. And if they can use ID to force religion into our schools and government, it seems that, from their perspective, it is properly pursued.

The question must admit to a need for clarification. Only when you understand the goal of a movement can you begin to determine if it is being properly pursued.

What is the goal of ID?


Truth fears no question.

bkelly


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bkelly
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Message 40 of 94 (252237)
10-16-2005 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by RAZD
10-16-2005 4:53 PM


Re: What is the goal of ID?
I am becoming mare jaded and pessimistic than you and most others. I think I need to read some posts that give me cause for optimism. That recognized and said:

IF the {motive\goal\purpose} is purely and unequivocably to determine if there is natural evidence of a designer, then science - all science - is a tool in that endeavor (as is philosophy, natural and cultural history, and our sum total knowledge). No single concept can be pre-determined, no stone unturnable.

IMNSHO (In My Not So Humble Opinion) the IDist has a different view. The given is that ID is correct and goddidit. The goal is to find some evidence so that they can convince themseleves and others that ID is correct.

I have looked at Deism and have no quarrell with it. However, I find extreme difficulty in accepting the concept of any supernatural entity (that would be god under any name). Where is the evidence? Why does he not say something?

Are you familiar with the bright movement?
http://www.the-brights.net/

Nuggin initiated the thread For ToErs Eyes Only
http://http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=25&t=1323&m=1
(where is that silly file I saved with instructions on links. Maybe this will work)

I just posted a bit of a rant in support of Nuggin in message 19 there if you are interested.


Truth fears no question.

bkelly


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