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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 54 of 73 (536629)
11-24-2009 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Pauline
11-24-2009 5:51 AM


PLEASE DON'T MISQUOTE ME!
Hi Dr Sing
Please note that in message 53 you are replying to Teapots&Unicorns, not to JUC.
Although, I would of course fully support T&U's argument.
In fact, as I say on another thread, it is Judas who is the one who suffers for our "sins", not Jesus. Judas is presumably still burning in the fires of Hell and will do so for evermore. Just because he helped to fulfil a prophesy. Jesus, meanwhile, relaxes in Heaven with his feet up. It's good to have friends in high places.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 59 of 73 (536781)
11-25-2009 3:21 AM
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11-25-2009 2:19 AM


Re: PLEASE DON'T MISQUOTE ME!
Seems to me that you would prefer to live in hell than in heaven
Yep! I'd rather burn for eternity than spend 5 minutes in the presence of that *$@# you call God.
All Judas did was help put Jesus in the position where he suffered (for a few hours).
If nobody had helped nail Jesus to the cross, he'd never have been able to take all the glory, or all our sins away (although quite how he did that or why it was necessary for him to be nailed to a cross to do it, I've no idea).
By the way, what sort of a father sacrifices his son instead of himself? (Not that Jesus was actually sacrificed of course, as T&U points out in his opening message.)

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 61 of 73 (536786)
11-25-2009 3:58 AM
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11-25-2009 3:45 AM


Re: PLEASE DON'T MISQUOTE ME!
Isn't it amazing how God can make someone who is against Him to contribute to fulfill God's own plan. All the characters, elements, and entities that contributed to Christ's death, right from the smallest thorn in His brow to the mighty governor Pilate's command to execute Him, were all installed, controlled and orchestrated by God himself to fulfill His plan. And do you know have any idea what his plan was? It was to save you from hell!
Tell him not to bother next time.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 67 of 73 (536964)
11-26-2009 4:47 AM
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11-25-2009 2:39 PM


Hi TU
So are Judas and Pilate in Heaven?
If Dr Sing is correct, and who are we to doubt him, that God directly manipulated their actions to ensure Jesus was nailed to a cross, then God would be a right cock if he didn't let them into Heaven.
But then he'd still be a right cock anyway for orchestrating the whole charade.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 68 of 73 (536965)
11-26-2009 4:48 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Teapots&unicorns
11-25-2009 2:39 PM


Hi TU
So are Judas and Pilate in Heaven?
If Dr Sing is correct, and who are we to doubt him, that God directly manipulated their actions to ensure Jesus was nailed to a cross, then God would be a right cock if he didn't let them into Heaven.
But then he'd still be a right cock anyway for orchestrating the whole charade.

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