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Topic: What does 'The Gospel' mean to you - in 200 words or less
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 23 of 93 (539316)
12-15-2009 12:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Brian
12-13-2009 5:58 AM
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Brian writes: they were invented to support the messianic claims of a failed preacher called Jesus. Could you provide me with an example of how Jesus was a failed preacher? EAM
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 26 of 93 (539348)
12-15-2009 10:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Peg
12-15-2009 5:12 AM
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Peg writes: LOL are you sure you want to get your answer from Brian??? Judaism - 14 million Christianity - 2.1 billion Failed??? I dont think so. Yes, I am sure I want my answer from Brian. Please provide me with an example of how Jesus is a FAILED preacher? Edited by EMA, : No reason given. Edited by EMA, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 28 of 93 (539351)
12-15-2009 10:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Huntard
12-15-2009 10:32 AM
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Actually, Peg was trying to demonstrate Jesus was not a failed preacher, since so many "follow" his preachings. Though how the jews are connected to this I fail to see. I know that now and that is what I just saw after I read it again, sorry Peg EAM Edited by EMA, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 29 of 93 (539352)
12-15-2009 10:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Huntard
12-15-2009 10:32 AM
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Actually, Peg was trying to demonstrate Jesus was not a failed preacher, since so many "follow" his preachings. Though how the jews are connected to this I fail to see. Perhaps you could provide an example while we are waiting on Brian
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 31 of 93 (539357)
12-15-2009 11:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Huntard
12-15-2009 10:52 AM
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Well, he was arrested, betrayed by his own people and put to death. I wouldn't call that a great succes.... Where did you learn these facts?
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
My guess? The bible, seeing as that is the ONLY source of information regarding jeesus. So then, if we proceed with he rest of the story, he ends up being a Savior of the world, correct? How does that equate to a failure? EAM Edited by EMA, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Says who? Who says he's a savior? That's just the pedestal you put him on. He hasn't "saved" shit. he was a peace loving hippy, nothing more. Thats not what the ONLY source you refered to says
He hasn't "saved" shit. You really shouldnt refer to yourself in this manner, but yes his saviorship even includes you. EAM
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 37 of 93 (539369)
12-15-2009 12:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by Huntard
12-15-2009 12:07 PM
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
They're in your own book. Yes, it then twists it around and goes: "oh but he didn't really die!". I'm sorry, but I don't believe grand claims like that without evidence. All a matter of perspective, Enough evidence to convince some but not others. I was just curious about why Brain, thought jesus was a failed preacher. It seemed a bit comical EAM
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 51 of 93 (539446)
12-16-2009 1:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 40 by Brian
12-15-2009 1:28 PM
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Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
The Bible also proves that Jesus could not have been The Messiah, strange that isn't it?
I don't think He saves the world in the NT either, I'd be interested to see where you get this idea from. Is this your attempt to demonstrate that Jesus was a failed preacher.? It seems you have restated your first contention in different words Again, Why and how was jesus a failed preacher?
The Bible also proves that Jesus could not have been The Messiah How could the Bible PROVE that Jesus was NOT this or that, or that he was not the Messiah, since according to you it cannot be trusted in the first place. Since the writers according to you misrepresented the truth about or concerning Jesus, how do you know what he did or did not say, or what he did or did not do, not to mention the fact that you have no logical way of proceeding to demonstrate him as a failed preacher. EAM
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 64 of 93 (539514)
12-16-2009 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 60 by AdminPD
12-16-2009 7:04 AM
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Re: Topic Drift
brian writes I feel that these questions are legitimate as they are essentially asking me to explain my view of the Gospel. I am happy to defend the ill-informed replies that have been directed my way, but I would need your go ahead as I don't want to post on this thread if your decide this discussion should not continue.
I'm happy with whatever decision you make. Ill think brian is correct here since everyone seems to be incorpulating (I do that for cavediver, AKA Space Ghost) thier personal feelings about the Gospel as well as other facts that are directly related. Also as long as that is ok with IANO, the threadmaster What do you think EAM
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 66 of 93 (539518)
12-16-2009 1:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by Brian
12-16-2009 3:00 AM
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Re: The Gospel: An abomination
Did you not read message 39? yes.
We do not arrive at the conclusion that the Bible is untrustworthy by simply saying so, we arrive at this conclusion by studying the Bible and by studying ancient near eastern archaeology (including texts) to help place the Bible in a plausible historical background. It is only through critically analysing the Bible that we arrive at the conclusion that it is unreliable I understand you believe this and according who you consult you will arrive at your conclusion concering the historical accuracy, BUT that is not what I have been asking you
However, it doesn't matter if the Bible can be trusted or not in this particular matter as the internal evidence makes it impossible for Jesus to have been the Messiah You believe he was a failed preacher and not the messiah. Again why SPECIFICALLY
Placing the Bible into an ancient near eastern context has thrown a great deal of light on the texts, and made it crystal clear that the majority of the texts are worthless for reconstructing an accurate past. accurate past of what, jesus' messiahship?
The attempts by the anonymous authors of the Gospels to torture the OT texts is so clear that it really doesn't matter if the Bible is 100% fiction, it still contains so many internal errors regarding Jesus' life that it becomes clear that they had to torture the OT texts for some reason, that reason being that Jesus was no Messiah. Where when and why?
Keep in mind as well that it has never been demonstrated that Jesus fulfilled any OT messianic prophecies and that the world is still waiting on the Messiah, thus Jesus was a failed preacher. When where why and how EAM Edited by EMA, : No reason given. Edited by EMA, : No reason given. Edited by EMA, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 67 of 93 (539534)
12-16-2009 6:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by AdminPD
12-16-2009 12:57 PM
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Re: Topic Drift
Admin writes Thanks
AdminPD EAM writes: Just wanted to say thanks for the website, its a neat tool and place for study
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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 109 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: 11-23-2007
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Message 71 of 93 (539667)
12-18-2009 11:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 69 by Brian
12-17-2009 2:44 AM
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Re: Topic Drift
Brian writes: With that in mind I will knock up a wee post outlining why I think Jesus was a failure and submit it this evening (hopefully). Were you going to be able to get out the post you promised? EAM
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