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Author Topic:   What does 'The Gospel' mean to you - in 200 words or less
Peg
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Message 4 of 93 (535110)
11-12-2009 9:33 PM


to me the Gospel, which literally means 'Good News', is the testimony and eyewitness accounts of the ministry of Jesus Christ. These were given at Gods direction as a message, of good news, for all mankind.
Mark reports on the purpose of the ministry of Jesus at Mark 1:15
where Jesus announced The appointed time has been fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has drawn near. Be repentant, you people, and have faith in the good news.
so the gospel is the announcement of the nearing of Gods kingdom...that is the theme of the 'good news' and its the aspect of gosple that I use to introduce non believers to it.

  
Peg
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From: melbourne, australia
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Message 24 of 93 (539326)
12-15-2009 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Dawn Bertot
12-15-2009 12:51 AM


Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
EMA writes:
Could you provide me with an example of how Jesus was a failed preacher?
LOL
are you sure you want to get your answer from Brian???
Judaism - 14 million
Christianity - 2.1 billion
Failed???
I dont think so.
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Peg
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Posts: 2703
From: melbourne, australia
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Message 54 of 93 (539465)
12-16-2009 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Huntard
12-15-2009 10:52 AM


Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Huntard writes:
Well, he was arrested, betrayed by his own people and put to death. I wouldn't call that a great succes....
actually, from Gods point of view, he was the greatest success in the history of the universe.
in what way was he a success? Peter said at 1Peter 2:22
He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth. 23When he was being reviled, he did not go reviling in return. When he was suffering, he did not go threatening, but kept on committing himself to the one who judges righteously.
His success came from not falling below Gods standard of perfection. He maintained his integrity to God under the most extreme circumstances. He also showed that his fight was not with the people, but with Satan the devil. The night before his death he said at John 14:30
I shall not speak much with YOU anymore, for the ruler of the world is coming. And he has no hold on me
this ruler of the world put him to the greatest test anyone could experience...and Jesus succeed in overcoming him. Jesus did not sin under trial. That is why he was so successful. By not sinning, he proved a universal truth about mankind, that a perfect man could remain sinless even in a sinful world and that God did not make Adam and Eve prone to sinning.
and because of this, we have the hope of being redeemed from sin and death. Jesus bought us with the price of his blood. If we take refuge in him, God will grant us the prospect of everlasting life in perfect conditions.
There has not been a greater success in the history of mankind then in Jesus perfect sacrifice.

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Peg
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From: melbourne, australia
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Message 56 of 93 (539468)
12-16-2009 4:46 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Brian
12-15-2009 1:26 PM


Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Brian writes:
Well we are still waiting ont he arrival of The Messiah, it's a difficult one to miss.
the arrival of Jesus in kingdom power is already here
and not everyone missed it.

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Peg
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Message 58 of 93 (539471)
12-16-2009 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Brian
12-16-2009 3:00 AM


Re: The Gospel: An abomination
Brian writes:
However, it doesn't matter if the Bible can be trusted or not in this particular matter as the internal evidence makes it impossible for Jesus to have been the Messiah.
im interested in what internal evidence you use to suggest this...can you list it please.
Brian writes:
history also proves that Jesus was no Messiah, I certainly do not see Him listed as any King of Israel, He certainly wasn't of Davidic descent, and Israel was persecuted more after Jesus died that it is ludicrous to suggest that He was anything other than a failure.
you are basing this on the fact that you believe there should have been a physcial fullfillment...the bible did not claim that Jesus would sit as a king for the literal nation of Isreal in a physical sense.
Secondly, the literal nation of Isreal was prophetically explained to be cut off and a new nation would be adopted....the new nation would be made up from people of all the nations. This has happened as chritianity in every nation is an attestament to.
thirdly, why on earth would you expect God to continue to protect a nation that had just rejected him and his son??? You think God is a sentamentalist perhaps?
Brian writes:
Keep in mind as well that it has never been demonstrated that Jesus fulfilled any OT messianic prophecies
That is completely wrong. If you dont beleive the bible for a start, how can you assume to know which prophecies were not fulfilled??? Why would you even believe any prophecies if you dont believe in the bible anyway???
There are hundreds of prophecies that christ fulfilled and there are some still to be fullfilled because they relate to the time after the kingdom takes rulership of the earth.

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Peg
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Message 59 of 93 (539472)
12-16-2009 5:06 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Huntard
12-16-2009 4:49 AM


Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Huntard writes:
So, what you're saying is that we can act violently upon somebody when in our eyes they are "defiling" a sacred place, like Jesus did in the temple? That's not sinful at all, in fact it is perfection?
he did not harm any of the people in the temple, he overturned their tables and 'drove them out' of the temple because it was illegal for them to be there
he stood up for righteousness when noone else would
"Stop making the house of my father a cave of robbers" is what he said to those greedy merchants.
it wasnt a violent act, it was an act of justice on behalf of the law. Much like the way a police officer might legally remove someone who is trespassing unlawfully on someone elses property.

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Peg
Member (Idle past 4956 days)
Posts: 2703
From: melbourne, australia
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Message 72 of 93 (539833)
12-20-2009 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by hooah212002
12-16-2009 8:22 AM


Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
hooah212002 writes:
I thought you've said he was god incarnate, god in the flesh? So yea....he didn't disobey himself?
No,
i've never said that and dont believe that. Jaywill and others belive that he was God but I believe he was the Son of God. He was the very first spirit that God created and they dwelled together as a 'father and son'
hooah212002 writes:
Hopefully I don't need to point out all of the posts where you guys claim the trinity and whatnot (there are far too many).
you've obviously never seen any my posts refuting the trinity doctrine lol.

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Peg
Member (Idle past 4956 days)
Posts: 2703
From: melbourne, australia
Joined: 11-22-2008


Message 74 of 93 (539936)
12-20-2009 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by jaywill
12-20-2009 8:39 AM


Re: The Gospel\; An abomination
Jaywill writes:
Be honest Peg. You should know that I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God as well as He is God the Son.
how can he be both?
its completely illogical. They say that the trinity is seen in the fact that Jesus said things such as
"if you have seen me, you have seen the father also"
and
"I and the father are one"
But this does not have to mean that they are physically the same person.
Jesus prayed with his diciples before he left them and John recorded his words in John 17:22
22Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that THEY MAY BE ONE JUST AS WE ARE ONE. 23I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that THEY MAY BE PERFECTED INTO ONE, that the world may have the knowledge that you sent me forth and that you loved them just as you loved me
Jesus clearly shows here that the diciples anc be 'ONE' if they are in 'UNION'
this is what Jesus meant when he said "I and the father are one"
it was obviously a term of speech that people of the day understood...shame its been so bitterly twisted to mean something completely false about Jesus and Jehovah.

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