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Hyroglyphx
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Message 70 of 139 (535934)
11-18-2009 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Blzebub
11-15-2009 6:23 PM


Is there a point to debate?
So what is achieved here? Neither side is ever going to change their opinion.
With your bleak and defeatist attitude that may be true for you. I don't think that is true at all for most people. Through persuasive debate, I have changed or modified certain views. Change, much like nature, is not an overnight process in general. Or it could be likened to something like mercury poisoning, as it is cumulative and builds over time. Each debate could be laying one brick at a time in the foundation of someone's belief system.
While one side may think they aren't getting any where in the debate, a chink in the armor may have been made. Of course no one would openly admit that during the debate, but if you want to make an impact there is always opportunity for one to be made.
Are there some out there so prideful that they would never relent or concede defeat? Yes, but fuck 'em.
There is also another important reason why debate on an internet forum is more valuable than what can be immediately seen. While you are engaged in a debate with one specific person, there are many lurkers all the time.
Even now as I look in the upper right hand corner of my screen, I see that we have 76 visitors. That is 76 people potentially watching the debate. They may be torn between two competing ideologies on a certain subject, and while you may not be aware of the impact you made, you could potentially sway them in your direction.
You could be mentoring without even realizing it.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 86 of 139 (535996)
11-19-2009 7:02 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Arphy
11-18-2009 11:39 PM


Re: Is there a point to debate?
However I still don't understand why some people on here seem to think that there is no value in formal debate between prominent creationists and evolutionists.
There have been, but it is becoming more rare because for most prominent evolutionists feel the debate is long over with.
btw, anyone read the debate i posted? Do you think this type of debate is a good idea? Was it done fairly?
I honestly didn't read it. I lost interest in the evo-creo debate a long time ago. I just stay on the forum for the free coffee.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 88 of 139 (536029)
11-19-2009 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by onifre
11-19-2009 12:07 AM


Atheist beliefs or atheist unbeliefs?
There is no "atheistic way of life belief," we all act the same regardless
Come on now, Oni, let's get serious for a minute. We all know that atheist beliefs include eating babies and pushing old ladies down three flights of stairs as a minimum prerequisite.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 94 of 139 (536055)
11-19-2009 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Perdition
11-19-2009 11:38 AM


Re: Atheist beliefs or atheist unbeliefs?
That's just to get the merit badge in Atheist Scouts.
Ah, right... *smacks forehead*

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 95 of 139 (536056)
11-19-2009 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by onifre
11-19-2009 11:40 AM


Re: Atheist beliefs or atheist unbeliefs?
First rule about atheist club is: you don't talk about atheist club...
Wait, isn't that the second rule? Oh, wait... Same rule. *smacks forehead again*

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 122 of 139 (536180)
11-20-2009 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Arphy
11-20-2009 1:17 AM


Re: Is morality based on an opinion vote?
YES!!! Finally!!! You have a CHOICE you are not RESTRICTED in atheism.
Everyone has a choice, not just atheists. Does "Freewill" ring a bell? People restrain themselves due to consequences. That's how laws work. Much like the laws passed in the Babylonian king's list, which predates the earliest biblical writings.
So I ask again, what makes a choice as in "grab what I can when I can in a raucous, unending struggle wherein my survival is incumbent on how well I oppress my fellows" "wrong"? Is it simply your opinion that it is wrong? Or maybe morality is just based on an opinion vote? But wait, isn't everyone allowed to form their own opinions?
Wrong in the sense of how morality evolves over time and varies culturally. A good example is that it once was morally acceptable to stone your kids for back talking you, but now you go to prison for child abuse if so much of a hair is out of place.
You seem to be trying to segue in to some great truth/revelation about God. God is not the reason why people choose to obey laws or choose to follow a form of morality.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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