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Author Topic:   At what point should we look for a non-materialistic explanation?
Huntard
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Message 8 of 160 (537688)
11-30-2009 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
11-29-2009 7:39 AM


We should look for non-material explanations when....
We can measure and test the immaterium reliably. And not before.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 36 of 160 (537868)
12-01-2009 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
12-01-2009 10:15 AM


This again?
Buzsaw writes:
That the most blessed, civilized, free, industrious and prosperous of those cultures have been Biblical based...
Like those of the middle ages... Oh snap!
..and the most non-civilized, non-free and non-prosperous have been either other religions or secularist.
Like the modern western world... Oh snap!
It did not fail in North America during it's first 200 years, but declines as NT Biblical principles decline.
You don't even know your own country's history? America was never based on any biblical values.
LOL! Secularism had it's big ruthless, bloody and non-productive shot last century when under secularist totalitarian regimes over 100 million of citizens in Europe and Asia were murdered by their own secularist, materialistic and anti-non-materialistic governments.
All western governments currently in power are secularist.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 53 of 160 (537935)
12-02-2009 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Buzsaw
12-01-2009 7:37 PM


Re: This again?
Buzsaw writes:
LOL! Those middle age atrocities perpetrated by the ruthless popes and bishops of Vaticanism were totally contrary to the NT Biblical scriptures of Jesus and his apostles who advocated non-violence, even to the point of loving one's enemies.
Yes, like the non violence displayed in the temple... Oh snap! Also, they were based on the bible. The old testament is also part of that, you know.
What other religions than Biblical and what secularist cultures enjoy more freedom, prosperity and civility than what the modern western world still affords?
So? The modern western world is secularist.
Granted, now that the Biblical principles are being undermined the western world is loosing all of that.
The modern western world was never founded on any biblical principles. Also, we've never had it this good.
Folks here in the west are certainly not flocking to relocate in Muslim or secularistic communist regimes, for example.
Because they're perfectly fine with this secularist regime.
Who doesn't know what, Huntard?? You are not aware that our founders required the Bible and Watt's hymnal in all public schools, that Thomas Jefferson had church services held in the halls of congress, dispatching the Marine band for the music?
Really? Would you mind pointing to me where in your constitution does it even mention the bible?
You are unaware of all of the inscriptions on the buildings and walls of Washington DC? You are unaware that George Washington allocated funds to evangelize the Indians in Biblical doctrines? On and on I could go.
And yet your constitution (the document on which your country was founded) speaks not a word about the bible, in fact it implicitly states there is freedom of religion, in direct contradiction to the first commandment.
Agreed, and alas, the more secularist they/we get the more they/we decline. The half has not been told as we descend to a very hard upandcoming landing!
Again, we've never had it this good.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2321 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 76 of 160 (538086)
12-03-2009 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Buzsaw
12-03-2009 12:07 PM


Re: Clarification
Buzsaw writes:
Why do I so adamantly believe this? Because for 74 years I have observed, via study, research and personal experience, sufficient multiple corroborated non-materalistically explained phenomenal evidence to empirically convince me that there is ultimately a non-materialistic explanation (I say 'explanation) for all that is observed.
And might I enquire as to how you know there is a non-materialistic explanation for these materialistic phenomena? And how do you know it is indeed your god that is the source for that?

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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