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Huntard
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Message 63 of 191 (538464)
12-07-2009 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
12-07-2009 10:26 AM


Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
Why have the politicians and scientists riding on the bandwagon not deigned to provide the public with a straightforward account of exactly what they have discovered and how they discovered it?
And how many scientific things are discussed in that sort of detail in any media outlet?
Why does anyone need to be secretive about the climate in the first place, unless there is an agenda to control or deceive the public?
Now now, they are only the mails of 1 research facility. The other research facilities that are also confirming it are also part of the conspiracy?
These people treat the public like complete idiots.
The public are complete idiots, in my experience anyway.
Unfortunately, most of the public are complete idiots.
See
Which is my other big gripe on this issue.
Oh yes, very much so.
Most people prattle on about how eco-friendly they are when they haven't got a clue.
Yep. My favorite way of depicting this was in a South park epsiode, where the US was threatened by a large cloud of "smug" because of all the smuggness of the people driving hybrid cars and yapping about how good they were for the environment.
I swear I heard someone say this on TV the other day when they were asked what they were doing to be eco-friendly. She said (very smugly):
"I help the environment by driving a small car."
Oh South Park, always spot on.
The stupid bird-brain. You don't "help" the environment by driving ANY car! A small car damages the environment, only slightly less so than a larger car. There isn't some magic cut-off point where cars above a certain size are all damaging the environment while cars below that size actually help the environment. Yet it's clear most people seem to have been brain-washed into thinking that's the case.
YEs, like you said, people are complete idiots.
On another TV show an equally smug couple proclaimed how they'd made sure their (massive) new house was eco-friendly by installing low-energy lightbulbs. Fortunately, the presenter had the sense to point out that they had installed 80 (eighty) of these light bulbs in the ceiling of their living room alone!
Helping the environment one lightbulb at a time! That's a nother polar bear saved.
To summarise, please could we have proper facts and evidence presented to the public on this issue.
I agree. I think this should be done on much more scientific issues.
If the facts and methods were out in the open, there wouldn't be all this controversy would there?
Of course there would *points to creationism*. But at least they'd be seen as just as cuckoo by the "normal" people.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
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Message 69 of 191 (538479)
12-07-2009 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
12-07-2009 12:09 PM


I agree with your post, so I will keep my comments to this part:
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
Never seen South Park. Any good? Is it a bit like The Simpsons? Never seen that either (honest).
It's better then the simpsons, The humour is much "harder". Sometimes even very politically incorrect (I remmeber an episode one or two weeks after Steve Irwin died, which featured a Steve Irwin with a stingray sticking out of his chest. There was outrage, so, what does South park do, in the very next episode, they throw in some more comments on Steve Irwin " in a stingray tank", if I recall correctly.). Anyway, I think it's great, especially when it touches on "current affairs".
All episodes can be viewed here for free (completely legal too)
Viewing tip: Trapped in the closet (episode 12 of season 9 (about scientology))

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
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Message 112 of 191 (538747)
12-09-2009 3:05 PM


Nice video about the mails
Link here Check out his other videos on climate change as well.
Edited by Huntard, : Added link

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

  
Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 122 of 191 (538857)
12-11-2009 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Taz
12-10-2009 10:59 PM


Here are some
These two quotes that seem to pop up the most:
I've just completed Mike's nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's t hide the decline
And
The fact is we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't.
Anyone care to shoot these down?
One other I'll shoot down myself:
Ed Cook to Keith Briffa writes:
We both know the probable flaws in Mike's recon, particualrly as it relates to the tropical stuff.
Hmm, pretty damnig, but wait that's not the end of it!
Ed Cook to Keith Briffa continued writes:
the only way to deal with this whole issue is to show in a detailed study that his estimates are clearly deficient....
Whoopsie!

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
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Message 125 of 191 (538862)
12-11-2009 5:13 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Otto Tellick
12-11-2009 4:54 AM


Otto Tellick writes:
I found this link very early in my own perusal of viral web content -- I expect I'm not the first in this thread to provide it, but here it is again, just in case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg
Indeed, I provided the same video in my Message 112. I even embedded the video in my message. His other videos on cliamte change are also very nice.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
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Message 182 of 191 (541590)
01-04-2010 4:53 PM


Documentary on the subject
A Finnish documentary about "climategate" (Yes, with subs ):
Part one:
Part two:
Part three:

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 185 of 191 (541746)
01-06-2010 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Dr Jack
01-06-2010 4:35 AM


Re: Documentary on the subject
Mr Jack writes:
"Documentary"? Is that any documentary in there?
Perhaps "Biased guys say biased things" was a better title, I hadn't watched it yet when I posted that, my apologies.
Or does it continue in the same hack job vein all the way through? (I didn't watch it all).
Pretty much, yes. It's not very objective, and brings up the same stupid shit every other "climate doubter" does. Even the same e-mails are mentioned that are refuted in the earlier video I posted.
Well, at least you can't say I'm not "fair and balanced" .

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 187 of 191 (568633)
07-07-2010 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Taz
07-07-2010 10:15 AM


Re: 'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty
"Those activists are just part of the same coverup and want to make us poor like Africa!"
I wonder how long till Beck comes out with something like that.

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