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Message 25 of 102 (539136)
12-13-2009 9:24 AM

Reply to: Message 12 by Bolder-dash
12-13-2009 6:57 AM

Question Back At Ya

I was asking atheists why they believe a human deserves more compassion than a rock.

Well assuming that you accept that atheists do feel this I would like to ask you why you think that is?

Is it really that puzzling to you? Do you really think that if we remove god from our lives that we become emotionless, compassionless automatons devoid of humanity?

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Message 27 of 102 (539141)
12-13-2009 10:15 AM

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12-13-2009 9:52 AM

Re: Question Back At Ya

Of course that isn't they way people view it, so my question to them is simply why not?

OK. I don't think it was entirely clear that this is what you were asking but having cleared that up......

Do you think the human species would have survived and prospered if we treated each other as we treat rocks?

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Message 32 of 102 (539148)
12-13-2009 11:03 AM

Reply to: Message 29 by Bolder-dash
12-13-2009 10:34 AM

Reality

Bolder writes:

Yes, it is an empirical fact that they are viewed differently, even though logic should tell us they are the same.

Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on what you are calling "logical".

Bolder writes:

And to frogs and to aardvarks they are the same.

Is that true? Do frogs and Aardvarks not treat other frogs and aardvarks any differently to the way they treat rocks? Really? are you sure? Are frogs and aardvarks being "illogical" in not treating other members of their species as they do rocks?

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So do you believe that this genetic accident, presumably to a hyena, or to a capuchin or something, would have carried a significant survival advantage for the Morality Eve who was so fortunate to get this mutative mindbend amongst their immoral hyena or monkey brothers and sisters?

Do you think it is "logical" for a parent to care for it's young? Should animals just treat their progeny as they would rocks? Would that be "logical"?

I think your logic is missing a rather important component. Reality.

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Message 39 of 102 (539170)
12-13-2009 12:50 PM

Reply to: Message 37 by Bolder-dash
12-13-2009 12:40 PM

Wurgle

Bolder writes:

Why do you love your neighbors?

Why do you?

Bolder writes:

Or because you have a better chance of survival if you love them. That doesn't exactly sound like a motive, but ok.

Motive? As in sitting round consciously deciding that we won't treat other humans as we do rocks because the rocks won't help our personal survival? No. What do you mean by "motive"?

Bolder writes:

I wonder when we will discover which section of DNA contains this infamous "love" mutation. Do you personally feel the first mutant lover was a hyena or a jackal?

It was a wurgle. Obviously.

Do you think that hyenas and jackals care for their young? Are thet being "illogical" for not treating their offspring as they would do rocks? Or have hyenas and jackals found god?

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