Evolution is simply more magnificent than your religion

We run into this line of thinking a lot though in this argument, don't we?What I mean is, we "insult Jesus" by pointing out that there doesn't appear to be any evidence of him poofing any critters into existence fully-formed about 6000 years ago, and in fact a lot of evidence that everything evolved from some complex crud starting more than 4 billion years ago. So they cry.Then when they recover their composure, they "get us back" by insulting Darwin, perhaps to the effect that he was a boat-riding nebbish who wasn't right about this or that and never even heard of DNA. We don't cry though, because we couldn't care less.We aren't Darwinists, or Einsteinites, or Branch Dawkinsians. We don't care if you print a picture of Heisenberg, or use Wheeler's name in vain. It reminds me of that sport that isn't called football in America. Are these basically just "ideology hooligans"?

Seriously? Quasars and Hubble expansion and galaxy clusters are just his way of showing off? He made black holes just to impress us? It's like a whole new level of anthropocentrism, there.Job does sound a lot like that, though. Endless reams of scholars debating over whether Behemoth and Leviathan were water-buffalo and crocodiles, or hippos and pythons, or whales and elephants, or Brontosaurus and the Loch Ness Monster; and all along there he is in heaven going Neener neener neener, let me know when you get a hook in one ...

If by Christianity you mean the particular trend in Catholic thought that bred the Renaissance, then yes, you are absolutely right. This trend is called Humanism. If you were a Humanist, we would not be having this argument, though.If you were even in agreement with the current Catholic trend, which is not Humanism but rather a rational form of Fundamentalism, we still would not be having this argument. It is only because you have chosen the most irrational form of Fundamentalism, namely Literalism, Evangelical variety, that you are in this boat. You have wilfully chosen to believe a lie, because you would rather have a God that you can understand and label than a real transcendent one.This is the "Christianity" that burned the Alchemists and persecuted Galileo, the Christianity that would have rather not have the Bible translated, the Xianity that goes to whatever means are necessary to keep men in absolute bondage to their own ignorance. This is the pseudo-faith that gave us the Auto-da-fe and the Inquisition and still gives us cross-burnings and clinic-bombings. "A man, though naked, may yet be in rags."Hippasus. Yeah, they threw him off the boat. He fucked up their fiat quantum theory. Theodorus, Eudoxus and Euclid cleaned him up a bit though, their rationalization was that magnitudes aren't the same as particles. Real quantum theory eventually cleaned them up in turn, turns out magnitudes are waveforms, the real solution is a lack of perfect exponents (no real right angles for example, curved dimensions only, very good ellipses rather than real circles.)Anyway, note that the Greeks knew more than the Church ever even had time to get around to burning people for. Heraclitus knew that matter was energy ("fire") and even Ovid knew that the earth was round. Edited by Iblis, : the shadows of men's thoughts lengthen in the afternoon