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Theodoric
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Message 17 of 65 (552240)
03-27-2010 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by jaywill
01-02-2010 7:02 PM


But the city needs only one city wide church.

So who gets to choose the dogma? The reason for the large number of churches is that there are so many interpretations of your bible. Is your way of interpreting the correct way? Should all christians believe what you believe?


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Theodoric
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Message 26 of 65 (552334)
03-28-2010 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Peg
03-28-2010 5:24 AM


Just wondering
i've examined that possiblity and am confident that its not the case.

The bible is most certainly being followed and the teachings are coming from it.


I guess I have trouble taking you seriously about religion at times. There is such delusion and hubris. You somehow have secret knowledge to what is right and the truth.

Then you use an avatar that can be easily associated with atheism.
Your avatar is an image created for and used by the rock band Pink Floyd. Did you realize that most, if not all, of the members were or are atheists? All three of the surviving members are.

The drummer, Nick Mason.

quote:
From: Q magazine Questionnaire, posted on "Pink Floyd & Co. Master Index" (http://www.pinkfloyd-co.com/...erviews/nbm/nbmquestions.html; viewed 16 December 2005):

Q: Do you believe in God?

NM [Nick Mason]: No I don't, though I quite often wish that I did. I believe in God Dylan.



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Lead guitarist, singer/songwriter David Gilmour.

quote:
From Newsday, published March 30, 2006:

"I'm an atheist, and I don't have any belief in an afterlife," Gilmour says. "You could say that I'm resigned to the fact that this wonderful life that we get here is it. And having hit 60, it's a good time to get resigned to these things and not be too nervous or upset - and enjoy what great times one can have."

From the Chicago Tribune, published March 31, 2006:

"When you get to 60, one of your preoccupations is that the life you have ahead of you is quite a lot shorter than the life you have behind you [laughs]. You can't help thinking about that. It's something inside all of us, even though I'm not a believer in God or an afterlife. I'm an atheist. I'm sort of resigned to my lot in life, and content in it."



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Roger Waters, bass player, singer/songwriter.

quote:
God - I'm an atheist so maybe I shouldn't be asking God - but let Barack Obama finally win the Democratic nomination and elect a person who seems to be not just enormously intelligent but also deeply humane and seems to have an imagination.

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Syd Barrett, founding member. Deceased.

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From www.headheritage.co.uk, an entry ostensibly posted by Ian Barrett, Syd Barrett's nephew, in reference to Syd's funeral, July 17, 2006:

"There was a Humanist officiant who was very affable and welcoming. There was no need to bring God in when he had never made his presence felt before."



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I am not sure of the religion of Rick Wright, the deceased keyboardist.

I guess I just found that quite interesting


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 32 of 65 (552456)
03-29-2010 9:30 AM
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03-29-2010 7:42 AM


The way to determine that is to look at the first century congregation that the apostles established and look at the things they did and the way they did them and the way they were organized, you should be able to see if your church is practicing the way christianity was in its original form.

That is pretty impressive. The only "evidence" for the first century church is the writings of Paul and they really do not touch very much on the organization or how they do things. There are no first century writings that speak about the happenings in any of the gospels. I find it very odd that you think you can pull the behaviors of the original followers out of the text of the bible. Also, delusional that you think your and your churches interpretations or the right " ones.

If it is, then its certainly not arrogance to state as much.

As you have no evidence, just interpretations, then yes it is arrogance.


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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 65 (552457)
03-29-2010 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Hyroglyphx
03-29-2010 8:42 AM


Avatar
For most people avatars are a bit different. They are an online representation of oneself. Many people spend a lot of time making sure their avatars reflect something of themselves.

If one of the christian bands you listened to were associated worldwide with a symbol would you use it as your avatar? No where in my post did I make any accusations that she was disingenuous. I just feel it is odd that such a fundamentalist would use the symbol of an obviously atheist group.

The point is I am not saying she shouldn't use it. I thought she should know, as she probably didn't, that her avatar is a symbol for a notoriously atheistic group. No more, no less.


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Theodoric
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Message 34 of 65 (552460)
03-29-2010 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Peg
03-29-2010 7:30 AM


Re: Just wondering
do you think because i'm religious i dont like good music?

Do you think because im religious i condemn non believers?

Not at all. Did I at any point in my post make any such accusations?

My group is about worshiping God the way he directs...that is all. Its also about inviting non believers to come and do the same

Don't do us any favors.

its not up to us to condemn them for the choice that God gives them.

Gee how big of you.

Do you have any idea how pompous, selfrighteous and rude those comments sound to people that do not have your beliefs?


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Theodoric
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Message 37 of 65 (552466)
03-29-2010 10:30 AM
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03-29-2010 9:58 AM


Re: Avatar
OK one comment and lets let it die Hyro.

Would it be any more strange than if you were a Christian but also a Red Sox fan?

The Red Sox have made no pronouncements whatsoever on the subject. If they came out tomorrow and made some overtly christian comments, I would drop them as my avatar posthaste. My avatars always represent something personal. My other avatar is Theodoric the Great, Ostrogoth king, that in a sense put the final nail in the coffin of the western roman empire. I find him a very intriguing figure, so I have a personal relationship to that avatar. Seemingly he was enlightened9for the time) also.
In 519, when a mob had burned down the synagogues of Ravenna, Theodoric ordered the town to rebuild them at its own expense.

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It does seem strange to(to me) to have an avatar that represents the antithesis of ones beliefs.
Why can't she both a Christian and a Pink Floyd fan? Why does she have to be one-dimensional and be compartmentalized in to what conforms to your standard rather than her own?

Never said she couldn't. To use their defining image does strike me(again personal opinion) as strange. I told you and her why in an earlier post. If you disagree with it so be it.
I have never attacked her for using the avatar, I have not tried to compartmentalize her. As I have stated(now numerous times) I(me, myself, not saying any one else has to feel this way) find it strange(this is a personal opinion, nothing else) such a rabid fundamentalist would use an avatar from such a well known atheist group. People do have and should have opinions.

We are very off-topic here, so lets let this die. So if you want to fight find another thread.


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Theodoric
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Message 47 of 65 (552554)
03-29-2010 8:32 PM
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03-29-2010 8:25 PM


Funny how you can not back up what you say with any facts. Very classic and very typical.

I may be an atheist but I am very well read. I have read the legends and myths in the bible many times. I probably pull the bible out 3-4 times a week.

I really want to know what you have read in the bible that shows you are "the only true scotsman"


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