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Sparcz1978
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Message 16 of 65 (552236)
03-27-2010 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by jaywill
01-02-2010 7:02 PM


God and Jesus Christ warned us about the false Churches doctrines and way of worship

Exodus 20:2-5 (King James Version)

am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Matthew 7:21-23 (King James Version)

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

2 Timothy 4:3 (King James Version)

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Matthew 7:15 (King James Version)

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Daniel 7:25 (King James Version)

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Philippians 3:19 (King James Version)

Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (King James Version)

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

1 Timothy 4:1-3 (King James Version)

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

1 John 4:1-3 (King James Version)

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Matthew 5:19 (King James Version)

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Deuteronomy 12:32 (King James Version)

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Revelation 22:18-19 (King James Version)

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Hebrews 10:28 (King James Version)

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Revelation 13:16-18 (King James Version)

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Romans 16:17-18 (King James Version)

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.


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Theodoric
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Message 17 of 65 (552240)
03-27-2010 4:23 PM
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01-02-2010 7:02 PM


But the city needs only one city wide church.

So who gets to choose the dogma? The reason for the large number of churches is that there are so many interpretations of your bible. Is your way of interpreting the correct way? Should all christians believe what you believe?


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Message 18 of 65 (552242)
03-27-2010 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Sparcz1978
03-27-2010 3:58 PM


Hello, Sparcz! Welcome to EvC!

God and Jesus Christ warned us about the false Churches doctrines and way of worship

Just asking, but are you going to tell us now that they told you that your way is the correct one? Or did they tell that to Jaywill, or Buzsaw, or ICANT, or to someone in one of the other 17,996 Christian denominations around the world?

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

So you don't go to Red Lobster or gather firewood on Saturdays?


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Sparcz1978
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Message 19 of 65 (552243)
03-27-2010 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Theodoric
03-27-2010 4:23 PM


Yes.. I am sure that I interpret the Bible in God's way..

I Know that there are too many churches use and Interpret the Bible in different ways....

that is why they don't agreed each other...

Not all christian believe like what I believe...

I don't Believe in Trinity, I Don't Believe in Christmas, I don't Believe in the way of Catholic and Born again Christian Church..

They are called Christians in their Mouth but not in their works...

Edited by Sparcz1978, : No reason given.


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Sparcz1978
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Message 20 of 65 (552245)
03-27-2010 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Coragyps
03-27-2010 4:40 PM


I don't care if their are Billions or Trillions Denominations in the World...
because it is written and no one can stop...

I just Give u the verse in the scripture what God and Jesus told about the False Prophets and its 100% true and i saw it, not only in the Catholic church but in other churches christian and non-christian.

Understand the Law of Moses, the Ten Commandments...

How many churches did not practice or did not follow the Ten Commandments?

Trinity = failed
Images=Failed

how many Churches did not follow Jesus Christ's preaching?

All of them are christian also...

Jesus is not God or equal with God, but see many Christian believe in Trinity, they don't understand the sentence there is "only One God the Father" and the sentence "I am a Man who told you the truth that I heard from God"

they worship Christ Image, but I dont know were they get the Picture of Christ.... try to put a Blood or tomato catchup on your face and scrub it with a white towel..the Camera was invented hundred years AD.

The Cross is not come from Jesus Christ, its come from the evil, and there are many people died on the cross, there are three at a time when Jesus Crucified, so why i make a sign of the Cross, that is the mark of the right hand and mark of the Beast, already written in the scriptures

Just try to observe and look at the scriptures... Pray to God and ask for a Holy Spirit to understand the scriptures...


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hooah212002
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Message 21 of 65 (552246)
03-27-2010 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Sparcz1978
03-27-2010 4:42 PM


They are called Christians in their Mouth but not in their works...

This is what I love about you guys. You all say this. You all have your own differing opinions on the same book, yet you all say every other christian is wrong....except for you.

Way to keep it real. Keep it fresh.


"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersófor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinóconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan

"Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu


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Coragyps
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Message 22 of 65 (552251)
03-27-2010 6:37 PM
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03-27-2010 5:19 PM


Understand the Law of Moses, the Ten Commandments...

Oh, I see! You don't seethe kids in their mother's milk, and you redeem the firstling of an ass with a lamb!

Good for you!

Exodus 34:28 - And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

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Peg
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Message 23 of 65 (552258)
03-27-2010 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by hooah212002
12-24-2009 2:41 PM


hooah212002 writes:

My main point, which I think I made in the OP, was: why the need for so many denomonations? Each one of you makes the claim to know "the truth" but hardly any of you agree on the finer points, the nitty gritty.

there are so many denominations because they are being led by man rather then God....the bible is second fiddle.

Everyone has their own ideals about christianity and they teach christianity based on their own ideals and own interpretations.


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Message 24 of 65 (552294)
03-28-2010 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Peg
03-27-2010 8:22 PM


You say "they" as if you aren't guilty of the same.....

(hint: you are "they")


"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersófor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinóconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan

"Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu


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Peg
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Message 25 of 65 (552304)
03-28-2010 5:24 AM
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03-28-2010 3:13 AM


hooah212002 writes:

You say "they" as if you aren't guilty of the same.....

(hint: you are "they")

i've examined that possiblity and am confident that its not the case.

The bible is most certainly being followed and the teachings are coming from it.


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Theodoric
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Message 26 of 65 (552334)
03-28-2010 8:46 AM
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03-28-2010 5:24 AM


Just wondering
i've examined that possiblity and am confident that its not the case.

The bible is most certainly being followed and the teachings are coming from it.


I guess I have trouble taking you seriously about religion at times. There is such delusion and hubris. You somehow have secret knowledge to what is right and the truth.

Then you use an avatar that can be easily associated with atheism.
Your avatar is an image created for and used by the rock band Pink Floyd. Did you realize that most, if not all, of the members were or are atheists? All three of the surviving members are.

The drummer, Nick Mason.

quote:
From: Q magazine Questionnaire, posted on "Pink Floyd & Co. Master Index" (http://www.pinkfloyd-co.com/...erviews/nbm/nbmquestions.html; viewed 16 December 2005):

Q: Do you believe in God?

NM [Nick Mason]: No I don't, though I quite often wish that I did. I believe in God Dylan.



Source

Lead guitarist, singer/songwriter David Gilmour.

quote:
From Newsday, published March 30, 2006:

"I'm an atheist, and I don't have any belief in an afterlife," Gilmour says. "You could say that I'm resigned to the fact that this wonderful life that we get here is it. And having hit 60, it's a good time to get resigned to these things and not be too nervous or upset - and enjoy what great times one can have."

From the Chicago Tribune, published March 31, 2006:

"When you get to 60, one of your preoccupations is that the life you have ahead of you is quite a lot shorter than the life you have behind you [laughs]. You can't help thinking about that. It's something inside all of us, even though I'm not a believer in God or an afterlife. I'm an atheist. I'm sort of resigned to my lot in life, and content in it."



Source

Roger Waters, bass player, singer/songwriter.

quote:
God - I'm an atheist so maybe I shouldn't be asking God - but let Barack Obama finally win the Democratic nomination and elect a person who seems to be not just enormously intelligent but also deeply humane and seems to have an imagination.

Source

Syd Barrett, founding member. Deceased.

quote:
From www.headheritage.co.uk, an entry ostensibly posted by Ian Barrett, Syd Barrett's nephew, in reference to Syd's funeral, July 17, 2006:

"There was a Humanist officiant who was very affable and welcoming. There was no need to bring God in when he had never made his presence felt before."



Source

I am not sure of the religion of Rick Wright, the deceased keyboardist.

I guess I just found that quite interesting


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Message 27 of 65 (552367)
03-28-2010 12:43 PM
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03-28-2010 5:24 AM


So says every other christian on this board. Hell, probably in the world. Do you not understand the arrogance/hypocrisy in "The No True Scotsman" fallacy?


"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersófor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinóconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan

"Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu


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Peg
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Message 28 of 65 (552445)
03-29-2010 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Theodoric
03-28-2010 8:46 AM


Re: Just wondering
Theodoric writes:

Then you use an avatar that can be easily associated with atheism.
Your avatar is an image created for and used by the rock band Pink Floyd. Did you realize that most, if not all, of the members were or are atheists? All three of the surviving members are.

do you think because i'm religious i dont like good music?

Do you think because im religious i condemn non believers?

Religion should never be about pitting believers against non believers. It may be like that for some groups but its not about that among my group. My group is about worshiping God the way he directs...that is all. Its also about inviting non believers to come and do the same...its not up to us to condemn them for the choice that God gives them.


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Peg
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Message 29 of 65 (552447)
03-29-2010 7:42 AM
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03-28-2010 12:43 PM


hooah212002 writes:

So says every other christian on this board. Hell, probably in the world. Do you not understand the arrogance/hypocrisy in "The No True Scotsman" fallacy?

yes i know thats the case and yes perhaps it does come across as a little arrogant

but let me put it to you this way. There must be a way to determine if your religion is in harmony with the bible. The way to determine that is to look at the first century congregation that the apostles established and look at the things they did and the way they did them and the way they were organized, you should be able to see if your church is practicing the way christianity was in its original form.

If it is, then its certainly not arrogance to state as much.


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Message 30 of 65 (552449)
03-29-2010 8:42 AM
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03-28-2010 8:46 AM


Specious argument
Then you use an avatar that can be easily associated with atheism. Your avatar is an image created for and used by the rock band Pink Floyd. Did you realize that most, if not all, of the members were or are atheists?

Yeah, and? If I listened to Hindi music would that make me weird just because I'm not a Hindu? Maybe I just like the music. Maybe she just likes Pink Floyd. When I was a Christian, I listened to Pink Floyd. And now that I'm not a Christian, I listen to some Christian metal bands.

I would think the only time it would be a problem [for her] is listening to overtly Satanic music, where there is too great a conflict of interests.


"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston
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