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Message 4 of 310 (204630)
05-03-2005 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by scordova
05-03-2005 10:45 AM


Is it appropriate to teach I.D. and science side by side?
Sal, I am a novice in the area of intelligent design. I have heard a lot of bad arguments which tout the usefulness of such knowledge, but I as a believer have nevertheless sided with the science guys in regards to this topic. In the article which you cited, several questions were raised. Can you give me your answer to them?
1)
Nature Magazine/Geoff Brumfiel writes:
Cordova who holds three degrees from the university, the most recent one in mathematics argues that the development of life on Earth would be described better if an intelligent creator is added to the mix.
Tell me, a believer, why you feel this way.
2)
Most scientists overwhelmingly reject the concept of intelligent design. "To me it doesn't deserve any attention, because it doesn't make any sense," says Bruce Alberts, a microbiologist and president of the National Academy of Sciences.
How would you convince scientists who are also perhaps agnostic/atheist that intelligent design does make sense? In other words, how can you speak the language of science? (Can you?)
3)
"Intelligent-design advocates want to split open the public's understanding of science and convince people that you can call on the supernatural for a scientific explanation," warns Barbara Forrest, a philosopher at Southeastern Louisiana University in Hammond and co-author of Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design.
What response would you have to Ms. Forrests question and assertion?
4) Were a student raised strictly on the teaching of I.D. creationism, would this teaching equip them for jobs in the secular world related to scientific disciplines?
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Message 12 of 310 (204692)
05-03-2005 2:48 PM
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05-03-2005 11:20 AM


Re: Is it appropriate to teach I.D. and science side by side?
Just in case Sal has moved on (hes a busy guy these days)
I would expect Mr. Cordova to answer my questions, as I gave him an opportunity to post in this forum. Where do you get the idea that anyone is too popular or too busy for answering a couple of questions? I am unimpressed, Limbo.

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Message 14 of 310 (204698)
05-03-2005 2:57 PM
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05-03-2005 2:53 PM


Re: Is it appropriate to teach I.D. and science side by side?
Well, Sal is posting the Word about the Nature article on every available forum.
In that case, he is merely using forums as free advertising. This is not cool.
If anyone--be it politician or preacher--wants to get a message across to the public, they have an obligation to interact with the public and discuss and/or defend their position. Life is about more than soundbites.

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Message 44 of 310 (204896)
05-04-2005 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Mammuthus
05-04-2005 5:10 AM


Depending upon the origin....
mammuthus writes:
You are stating a belief and have not shown how that belief can be falsified. Please try again...
If I could "show" how my belief could be falsified, I would be elevating human wisdom to a higher status than it belongs. Human wisdom is not the be-all and end-all of the process. I.D. begins with "a priori" and describes a theory that fits.
You can also begin your theory with "purple unicorns" if you want.
Where you go wrong is when you begin your theory with "human wisdom created belief". Human wisdom is not the origin! That is the beginning of the theory. Can we prove the theory wrong? Sure...by claiming human wisdom as the "assumed" arbitrator...and then building on that assumption with many theories.
My question, stemming out of general scientific ignorance---is to ask whether I.D. students are open minded enough to study traditional disciplines along with I.D. theories.
The study of Psychology suggests that some humans are downright hostle towards a "God" belief for no more of a reason than that they cling to their own reasoning process as the final arbitrator in all matters. Perhaps I.D. should be more of a philosophy and less of a strict "science" per say.

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